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Hey guys, I use croptool to correctly size pagebanner images. Unfortunately, connections have been consistently failing the last couple days. Anyone seen this? Any tips on what I might need to do to get it to work? Mrkstvns (talk) 15:38, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I suggest asking at c:Commons:Village pump/Technical. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! I'll post there and see if I get a useful reply. Mrkstvns (talk) 21:14, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I believe it's a known issue (many others have the same issue), though don't quote me on that. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 21:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

My understanding is that the tool has been largely the work of one developer or a small team and that person may have stopped updating it. However, the problem has been intermittent so far and I've still been able to crop photos for WP using the tool. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 03:05, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

"Intermittent" seems an apt description. The tool is connecting properly again and I was able to get some edits done on pagebanners. Got my fingers crossed that it keeps working because it's pretty useful, IMHO. Mrkstvns (talk) 14:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I was using WikiShootMe!, another toolforge-hosted tools, this past weekend and it also had issues (mainly with loading the page). I suspect it's toolforge-related and not the tool itself. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 18:03, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's important for you all to know about this! See c:Commons:Village pump/Technical#Bot no longer working to warn Wikivoyage about nominations for deletion? It would appear that the only solution at this point is for one of us to monitor c:Commons:Deletion requests at all times. It's a big job, and this is a big problem, because it's a return to the status quo ante, when we had a slew of thumbnails emptied without any notice. I became aware of the problem due to this deletion. I've resumed looking at deletion requests, starting with the earliest date that still has open deletion requests, and I've gotten up to c:Commons:Deletion requests/2024/07/14, but it's a huge job and not one I'll be able to do by myself. If there are other volunteers, maybe we should create an Expedition, so as to keep each other up to date on which days of deletion requests we have already looked through. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oh gosh, not a repeat of 2021 again. A bot for this would be very nice; what exactly happened to it? --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 01:25, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

This is linked from the thread. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@MusikAnimal, is your team working on that Phab task? It's marked as high priority, but nobody's assigned to it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm very sorry for the extremely long delay in reviving this bot! The engineer who wrote it left the Foundation years ago, so we were at a lost when it died last year. Anyway I think at this point there's only a few issues left. I will see what I can get done this week. Thanks for the ping. — MusikAnimal ^talk 19:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Super! Thank you very much. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:19, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! That is very much appreciated, MusikAnimal :-). --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 22:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@MusikAnimal: By any chance, do you have any updates as to how this is going? TIA, --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 07:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Original message at wikimedia-l. You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Hello all,

The scrutineers have finished reviewing the vote and the Elections Committee have certified the results for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) special election.

I am pleased to announce the following individual as regional members of the U4C, who will fulfill a term until 15 June 2026:

• North America (USA and Canada)
  • Ajraddatz

The following seats were not filled during this special election:

• Latin America and Caribbean
• Central and East Europe (CEE)
• Sub-Saharan Africa
• South Asia
• The four remaining Community-At-Large seats

Thank you again to everyone who participated in this process and much appreciation to the candidates for your leadership and dedication to the Wikimedia movement and community.

Over the next few weeks, the U4C will begin meeting and planning the 2024-25 year in supporting the implementation and review of the UCoC and Enforcement Guidelines. You can follow their work on Meta-Wiki.

On behalf of the U4C and the Elections Committee,

RamzyM (WMF) 14:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello all,

The voting period for the 2024 Board of Trustees election is now open. There are twelve (12) candidates running for four (4) seats on the Board.

Learn more about the candidates by reading their statements and their answers to community questions.

When you are ready, go to the SecurePoll voting page to vote. The vote is open from September 3rd at 00:00 UTC to September 17th at 23:59 UTC.

To check your voter eligibility, please visit the voter eligibility page.

Best regards,

The Elections Committee and Board Selection Working Group

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 12:15, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

RamzyM (WMF), if you send these mass messages with a five tilde signature (~~~~~), then they won't be signed by the MassMessage bot. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:24, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi WhatamIdoing, thanks for the ping -- glad to see you here :) I am aware of the five-tilde option, and this signature was as intended. Best, RamzyM (WMF) (talk) 13:47, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://www.wildsam.com/stories/best-road-hotels-in-america-motor-lodges

As an American, these are definitely the sort of place you foreigners want to stay if you come here to visit and want an authentic Americana-style experience. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:14, 3 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

This would make up a great travel topic, provided that we respect copyright. As in Haunted Stockholm tour, a compilation article based on a main source should have text written from scratch, as well as omitting some entries from the source, adding entries absent from the source. /Yvwv (talk) 22:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

We have a repeat visitor to this page who, I believe, is pushing an agenda, using hyperbolic language. The issue has been discussed on the talk page, but they are trying to impose their agenda on the article. I do not wish to edit war with them, so I would like the views of others. Please see this edit. Ground Zero (talk) 11:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have started (yet another) discussion on the article' talk page here. Ground Zero (talk) 12:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Jdlrobson, in this listing, if I click directly on "Uniforma le informazioni con Wikidata", I got a JS error, but if I click first on "inserimento rapido", the previous link works, showing that there's no need to update anything (obvious behavior, since the second link already aligned all the information between voy and wd). Anything to be fixed? Andyrom75 (talk) 16:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://github.com/jdlrobson/Gadget-Workshop/issues/4 Jdlrobson (talk) 18:25, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://www.thrillist.com/travel/nation/google-docs-are-the-ideal-travel-guides —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/04/nx-s1-5090013/selfies-taken-in-desirable-locations-makes-people-less-like-to-go-there-study-finds

Just another good reason to not use social media. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

This feels a little like the home-selling advice about hiding all the family photos. You don't want people to think this is your house. You want them to be able to imagine themselves in it. Perhaps a photo of "me at the beach" similarly keeps people from being able to imagine themselves in that location. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would like to read the study itself, or a real report on it. Most key info is missing from the NPR article. Was it an academic study or just a bit of asking around?

If you are going to propose to somebody, you don't want to do that like a friend of yours, whose proposal they probably have heard or will hear about. That's quite obvious – and very different from your wondering where to go for your holiday and seeing an influencer posing in Shangri-la.

–LPfi (talk) 09:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, the actual "study" (which the article frames around one woman asking her friends and family if they'd propose at the same spot in the same location as she did) definitely doesn't conclude that selfies or seeing people in photos makes people less likely to visit. If her friends had not seen the photos but just heard about her proposal, I don't think they'd be any more eager to "steal" her proposal. I think most people would not want to steal their friend's proposal.

The article, and perhaps the study itself, doesn't acknowledge that selfies and pictures can be taken and seen by people you don't know or any of the obvious reasons someone might not "steal" a friend's trip other than the fact that their eyes saw a photo with a person in it. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 16:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The study is at https://doi.org/10.1093/jcr/ucad059

I think this thing about wanting a unique proposal is not universal. For some people/cultures, doing it like everyone else means doing it "correctly". If everyone else goes to a fancy restaurant, or overlooking a waterfall, or in Lover's Lane, or whatever, then you want to do that, too. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the link. Yes. I suppose the point here is that "everybody" in Western cultures does it in a "special" way, which means you cannot just copy what somebody else did. Doing it in Paris or in the yard of Juliet works, but only if somebody close didn't do so recently.

(Most, of course, would not splurge on that journey, and then need to frame it more or less without such clichés – if they even want live up to the "special" expectation.)

–LPfi (talk) 17:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I can see this being the case, especially if certain social media sites like IG/TT are fueling overtourism in certain locations. At least that's often a deterrent for me. SHB2000 (t | c | m) 23:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

That makes me think that there will be differential effects. One person will feel deterred, and another might think "It looks like they had such a nice time, and they look like me/we seem to like similar things/I identify with them in some way, so maybe I'll go there someday, too". WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:07, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Reading How I Added Maps to my Travel Posts, I was reminded that one of the features of Wikitravel when it was first founded was travel blog-style posts by users was a feature of the site. It was phased out and eventually deleted there and never ported over here, but has there been a community discussion about this, including bringing it back or how it could be made useful here? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I guess none of you look at Wikivoyage talk:Vandalism in progress regularly without prompting. If you don't, please add it to your watch list. In the meantime, I would appreciate it if you all, and particularly the technically savvy folks among you, would look at the latest thread on that page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:35, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Some of the email addresses in the contact info of embassies on this page look suspicious. Page link here:

Georgetown (Guyana) 220.135.129.168 03:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I assume that you mean those of solutions2000 and the hotmail address. The new user User:Krd removed them (with no edit summary), but also the other email addresses, which I see no reason to be suspicious about. I restored the latter. Somebody should perhaps check. –LPfi (talk) 13:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Krd: why did you remove them? Some of them like [email protected] or [email protected] are from government urls. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 13:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I write about black issues and I'd like to create a page on here for the best locations for black travelers.

My username is based on The Negro Motorist's Green Book, a book published in the first half of the 20th Century that helped black people find welcoming environments for travel.

I would like to create an article by that title to help black people find environments where they feel welcome and safe. The Negro Motorist Green Book (talk) 03:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://negromotoristgreenbook.si.edu/ The Negro Motorist Green Book (talk) 03:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Great! Glad you're here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I second this. Looking forward to it! SHB2000 (t | c | m) 05:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@NatGertler: A bit of a longshot, but you're active on our sister projects and it's possible that you may want to collaborate here on this topic. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have at least looked at this discussion. I'm no travel expert. (For those looking on, Justin tagged me because I publish the facsimile editions of original Green Book volumes that you can purchase at the gift shops of museums and historic sites.) But I'll be glad to answer things if I can help. -- NatGertler (talk) 23:17, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

We wouldn't normally have an article on The Negro Motorist's Green Book (or any other travel guide).

A more typical thing to do would be to add points of interest to city articles, or to expand descriptions to mention relevant facts. For example, Detroit/Downtown needs an entry on the historically important Black church, the Second Baptist Church https://www.secondbaptistdetroit.org/. You can decide whether you think it fits better under Detroit/Downtown#Architecture or in a Wikivoyage:Where you can stick it#Cope section.

Many cities need descriptions that mention that a recommended business is Black-owned, or a new entry for a decent place to get a good haircut.

A third way to contribute is to create Wikivoyage:Itineraries. If there are businesses that were listed in The Negro Motorist's Green Book that still exist, and they would make a reasonable trip (e.g., stay at this 80-year-old Black-owned motel, have breakfast at this 90-year-old Black-owned restaurant across the street, etc.), then an itinerary that follows the old routes across a state or through a region might be very interesting. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I like the idea of an article, but I am not sure about the name. I saw the 2018 film Green Book and I think we should keep the Green Book title free for either an article based on the original books, or an itinerary following the film journey. The term green book may not be well understood outside the US, and those who don't know of the books may not like some words in the title.

I assume the article will mainly be about general travel advice for black travellers, and that specific details will go in destination articles. Will the advice be applicable worldwide or just in the US? Will it only appeal to motorists, or is public transit in scope? AlasdairW (talk) 22:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just as a quick note, the term ''Green Book'' may be reasonably understood outside the US because of the feature film, which [https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt6966692/?ref_=bo_se_r_1 grossed] $85 million in the US but $237 mill outside of the country. -- NatGertler (talk) 23:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

In the interim, I've added a pagebanner for now – is there any way we can get italic text on page banners? --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 23:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have attempted to add it to several pages (e.g. Breaking Bad and Mission: Impossible), but it doesn't work. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:08, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oh well – I guess we'll have to live with it for now. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 00:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think there's no problem with a travel guide themed around a historic guidebook that is no longer updated, and that it's in fact a great idea. I also don't think there's a problem with using the historic title. Similarly, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People proudly maintains its historic name and offends no-one by so doing. All that said, we could discuss on the article's talk page whether to change the title to The Black Motorist's Green Book. I think that would be a bit of a falsification and anachronism, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it if that were the consensus pick. In the meantime, the article needs actual content! Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ikan, it seems that if you talk to a generation or two younger than us, it appears that many of them think that "Negro" is actual "the N-word". This is apparently common enough that if school teachers who are teaching historic texts (like Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech) feel it necessary to explain this point.

(Also: Hooray for a world in which some kids have never heard that racial slur.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

It makes complete sense to contextualize history. We need to do that in this article, too. I should say, when I was growing up, "Negro" was becoming increasingly old-fashioned and gradually became more offensive. But that's how things go. "It sucks" was an extremely obscene expression when it was commonly used by my 7th-grade class, and if a teacher heard you say it, you'd be in trouble. Now, it's totally normal, and hardly anyone thinks of it as short for "it sucks cock" and so forth, like we did. So words and expressions can become offensive or inoffensive as time goes on. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Let me note that the last two editions of the Green Book (the 1963-1964 and 1966-1967 editions) did not have "Negro" in the cover title; they were simply Travelers' Green Book. So that is an option if it is decided that the original title is a problem. -- NatGertler (talk) 03:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

OK, that's definitely a consideration. Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:30, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I gotta say as a non-American, to me, that word is simply a Spanish word translated into English but used as a derogatory term, but I agree with Ikan. Could maybe be that I'm not from the US and I'm probably way younger than most of you guys here. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 05:55, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think that it's odd for Wikivoyage to take something that exists and claim it as our own. For example, we have Narrow Road to the Deep North, which highlights the travels of Matsuo Basho. If one of us were "inspired" by his travels and made our own "Road to the deep north" highlighting what sights we personally visited or recommend in the Tohoku region or if we edited the current article to highlight "better" places, it would be confusing. Using a historic travel book for a topic that isn't about that book will also make it difficult for anyone who might find it useful to find the article.

I also have questions about what the intended contents will be exactly regarding the metrics determing where to avoid or recommend, the scope, and even who "the Negro" is in the modern context, but I don't want to jump too quick to judgment without giving it a chance. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 12:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

User:মোহাম্মদ মারুফ/common.js and User:মোহাম্মদ মারুফ/Gadget-ListingEditor.js. I am able to create and delete a test document as a subpage of Wikivoyage:Graffiti wall easily, but in these cases, when I get to View deleted pages, clicking "view/undelete" has no effect at all. What's going on? For background, see User talk:মোহাম্মদ মারুফ. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Because they are someone else's scripts. This is common in MediaWiki wikis: you cannot just force someone else to have a certain CSS or script. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

That doesn't make any sense. They created those files, I deleted them, and by undeleting them, I wouldn't be "forcing" them to do anything. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The exact configuration of what sysop members can do to other users' CSS and scripts varies on WMF wikis. I have these user rights on en.wq and I can delete or edit another's pages. I also have them on en.wv and there, I cannot. This is just a setting on this wiki's configuration file. Can you edit or create others' user CSS and script pages? On some wikis, you cannot do that, even as an admin. On some, you can only delete them. On some, you can move them without a redirect, then delete it at its new location, but not actually delete it at its original location. Anyway, as this site is configured, you evidently cannot impose a script on another user by undeletion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Pretty sure you need an interface admin for that. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 11:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Can an interface admin who's reading help? Who do we have on this site who has that power? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

User:Andyrom75? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

We have four. @Andree.sk, Andyrom75, Atsirlin, Jdlrobson:. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek, I undeleted the pages. -- Alexander (talk) 19:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, I appreciate it! Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, Alex! --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 21:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Can an admin please resolve the pages at Special:DoubleRedirects? Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Also needs an interface admin. @Andyrom75: could you perhaps take a stab at this? --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 13:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Koavf, redirect solved.

@SHB2000, were you talking of the redirect or about other stuff? Andyrom75 (talk) 13:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Just the redirect – normal admins cannot edit the page. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 21:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Old towns. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Previous discussion at Talk:Old_towns#Remove_markers_/_split? & following section. Pashley (talk) 14:00, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Trizek_(WMF), 09:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

This has been reported to me by some students, and confirmed by me, see my sandbox User:Hanyangprofessor2/sandbox.

The maps inserted from Insert->Map in visual editor do not display location pins.

I.e. this is good code

{{Mapframe|39.95|116.35|zoom=10|width=650|layer=M}}

and this is bad code

<mapframe latitude="39.95" longitude="116.35" zoom="10" width="650" height="418" />

What's wrong? The layer is missing in the bad code, which perhaps could be the answer, but there is no way I can see to enable that parameter. Right now, I am telling my students to copy a map from another article it works in and adjust GPS coordinates manually, but it is a bit annoying that our official, nice, user-friendly way of inserting maps is effectively broken. Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 05:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Someone with more technical knowledge about the Mapframe template and element can probably add some nuance here, but I'll attempt to explain this issue to the best of my ability.

The element (<mapframe/>) is one of the ingredients for rendering the template ({{Mapframe}}) and its functionality. Other ingredients include Module:map, which adds understanding of GeoJSON data. That processing of GeoJSON data is what makes markers (location pins) render on the map. It's not being called into action through the element - only through the template.

The layer not being defined doesn't play a role here.

On a sidenote, I can't seem to replicate the issue myself - that is, spawning the element instead of the template through the visual editor. As for fixes, you should be able to force the usage of {{Mapframe}} in the visual editor by using Insert → Template and selecting Template:Mapframe through there though.

I hope this helps. ― Wauteurz (talk) 11:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I assumed something like that, but in my reading of Mediawikiwiki:Help:Extension:Kartographer, the <mapframe> element indeed does render markers, if those are given as geoJSON – and Module:Marker seems to indeed produce geoJSON code. Does the element require the code to be included as content of the element itself? –LPfi (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Anyway, using the template would be the right solution. –LPfi (talk) 14:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@LPfi: That does seem to be the case, yes! If you have a look at #GeoJSON in the source editor, the mapframe element is started, raw GeoJSON data is inserted, and the mapframe is closed again. Using <mapframe/> as in the sandbox above, opens and closes the element without giving it opportunity to look for GeoJSON data to display. From what I can tell, the element also cannot work without being properly closed, and cannot look beyond its own extent for usable GeoJSON data (i.e., all markers have to be embedded within the mapframe element).

In summary: <mapframe/> shouldn't be used in articles, as {{Mapframe}} contains essential parts for gathering map markers that the element itself does not have.
― Wauteurz (talk) 21:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Wauteurz, if you use Insert > Map in the visual editor, then it inserts the <mapframe> element directly, rather than the template. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Interesting. I tried both inserting a map and inserting a template through the Visual Editor. When I moved that edit into the source editor, that would convert to {{Mapframe}} in both cases. I didn't publish any edits for my testing though, so that might be a possible lead as to what's going wrong?

Regardless, this bug requires fixing. Having both the element and template used alongside each other in articles will likely just pose problems further down the road, even if it were to work correctly now. I'm not sure where bugs for the Visual Editor should be reported though? ― Wauteurz (talk) 21:23, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

This would be a feature request, which you can file in phab: Add "VisualEditor" as a tag. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Wouldn't the fix be as simple as having VE insert the template, and not the element? Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 06:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think you'd actually have VE make it locally configurable, so that local admins could tell it whether to prefer a template and which template to prefer. But even simple feature requests are still feature requests. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

User:Hanyangprofessor2, I'm sorry I don't know the answer to this question, but while we're waiting for a more technically savvy person to come along and address it, could you please ask your students not to create new district articles for city districts without starting a discussion on the relevant talk (discussion) page and gaining a consensus that they are needed, not to edit pages like Wikivoyage:Small city article template and Template:Smallcity skeleton, and also explain that we don't give articles or redirects titles that are in non-Roman scripts? We all know there's a learning curve and appreciate your students' efforts, but knowing these things will help them avoid hassles. Thanks a lot!

Best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek Thanks, I will be revising the assignment now to include this. That said, I think we are way too strict on districts. I mean, I live next to Seoul, most of its districts are larger than your average town or city. A lot of my students are puzzled why we don't have articles on them and I can't really explain it to them. Ex. Hyehwa. Not that I am opposed to redirecting and merger, if there is little content. Oh, and as for foreign language redirects, I don't see why we don't like them, but they are just unavoidable accidents - a lot of students use automated translation in their browsers (at least one published article today in Chinese...). I am afraid there is not much I can do except moving the articles to correct names when such an error happens (it should not be too often). Btw, Jinshazhou (K) error was probably due to "Fat finger" and mobile interface (I do require students to bring a laptop, but some still bring tablets, sigh). Piotrus (talk) 08:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Seoul has 11 district articles. If that were to be changed, someone would have to change the map, create new maps for new and changed districts, and a whole lot of listings would need to be moved by someone who knows which of the current and new districts they are in. If we were to allow people to unilaterally change the district structure of articles, it would create a huge mess. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I am not happy with what I think is semi-arbitrary grouping of some districts, but for now I think we can just work on expanding the existing articles and see if and when they get too big and need more splits. Piotrus (talk) 04:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Do feel free to propose a specific new district structure for Seoul in Talk:Seoul. That's how these kinds of things get started in the first place and changed later. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

For China in particular, districts are problematic. Chinese users often add articles for the official administrative districts, which in general do not work well as WV districts; see Talk:Fuzhou#Districts? for an example. Also, there's often an ambiguity between city & prefecture; do we need one article, one plus a redirect, or two? I'd say usually just one for the city, but some cases are more complicated; see Talk:Dengfeng for example. Pashley (talk) 12:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Pashley Yeah, it's confusing for me, I have students write about city, then add listings for some stuff that seems pretty far away. I guess they are confused about city & prefecture issue too, and I am not sure what to do here. Piotrus (talk) 04:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't know how to explain it to students, but normally you could check the region article for what articles there are, and check whether the city described in yours or one in an already existing other article would be a more convenient base for visiting an attraction. If some such city is a realistic base, then we include the sight there, regardless of whether it is "in" the city (whatever that's taken to mean).

Of course, sometimes you want to create new articles to accommodate your points of interest, and then the question arises, whether a place is worth an article and what area the new article should cover. That's often tricky if the official boundaries don't make sense for Wikivoyage.

–LPfi (talk) 14:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have developed a new assignment for my students (create new article using the template). I did not realize the relevant templates are not protected, and I had several students try to create articles in the templates. I will be reverting their mess shortly, but please, can an admin protect (or semi protect) those to avoid this problem from recurring? Piotrus (talk) 08:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Piotrus: Done by myself and Ikan Kekek. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 12:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi:

Just to announce there is a new itinerary for Spain: Culturally significant landscape in Montoro. Hope you'll find useful. Olea (LaOfi) (talk) 13:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I was initially skeptical about the value of this article, but after reading it, I say "Well done!" It's an interesting article about a region I've never had the pleasure of visiting, but if I were to go there, I imagine this article would be quite useful, particularly with the myriad focused maps (I'm going to have to look at how you did these....they are much better than the maps I create). Mrkstvns (talk) 13:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks :-)

Most of the merit is from the @IAPH, who sponsored this work. Olea (LaOfi) (talk) 14:38, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, just a small question, how often is map on Destinations page updated? I created a few pages for some locations but I can't see any of them on this map. Krystian55 (talk) 17:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

It probably relies on the old "Explore nearby destinations" mechanism, which depends on a manually-updated list of destinations - a script has to be run periodically to extract the coordinates from every page. The script may have not been run for some time, perhaps since the new automatic "Show nearby articles" feature replaced the old one. Daggerstab (talk) 18:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Is there any way or plan to restore this or similar functionality in the future? Krystian55 (talk) 19:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Special:LintErrors/duplicate-ids shows many pages on enwikivoyage with duplicate `id` attributes. I think I've tracked this down to Template:Listing, which contains both an explicit invocation of {{anchor|{{{wikidata}}}}} but also includes Template:Marker, which has its own invocation of {{anchor|{{{wikidata}}}}}. I think one of those anchors should be removed, and/or Template:Marker should take a "noanchor" option to have it skip the redundant anchor. I don't have edit rights to those templates, though. Could an admin take a look at fixing those templates? CAnanian (WMF) (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

As {{marker}} is also used by itself, I suppose the id code cannot be removed from there without significant breakage. Thus it seems that just removing it from {{listing}} would be the cleanest solution (leave an HTML comment, in case things are changed at some point).

What about the "alt" parameter? I think it used to work as (create an) anchor, but that seems to have been broken at some point. As name and alt often are reversed (typically the native name moved to alt) or name changed (when a different translation is taken into use), having both as anchor is quite important.

–LPfi (talk) 07:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

User:Evan co-founded Wikitravel and launched the Social Web Foundation yesterday. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:36, 25 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

https://www.afar.com/magazine/docastaway-sends-travelers-to-deserted-islands-on-purpose

This one is pretty neat and shockingly affordable, all things considered. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Hanyangprofessor2: We apparently have a problem with filter 36 ("Article/Wikivoyage blanking by unregistered/new user"), see Special:AbuseLog/75595: A new user creates an article by inserting the appropriate template, saves, and then tries to remove the commentary, which triggers this filter, as the page shrinks a lot. I'm proposing a solution at the filter, but I don't have time to look in to it right now.

In the meantime, a solution is to insert enough content in the edit that removes the commentary (or newer to save the page before the commentary is removed).

It seems the last such disallowed edit was on Monday, and I hope the affected editors (just a few, I think) have found their ways around it.

–LPfi (talk) 10:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I noticed that the images in an article generated with [[file:filename.jpg|thumb|caption]] (no px value) results in a much bigger result than my 120px preference. However, when I'm viewing the result (Using the "Show preview" button) while editing, the size is correct. FredTC (talk) 07:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@FredTC, in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering, what's your skin setting in the first section? And you have 120px set in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-files? Do you have anything set in Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-files ? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

@WhatamIdoing, My skin is "Vector legacy (2010)", but for this problem I also tried it with "Vector (2022)". The problem occurred with both skins. I have 120px at "Thumbnail size". The problem also occurred at nl:Wikivoyage, but not at Wikipedia. I have nothing set at "Global preferences". FredTC (talk) 06:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

What's the "correct" size? I think it is better that when editing, you see images at the size people with default settings will see. Your personal preferences should not affect what image size you choose when editing. –LPfi (talk) 09:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

When I have this [[file:filename.jpg|thumb|caption]] image, it displays incorrect like a [[file:filename.jpg|thumb|220px|caption]] when I read pages, having "Thumbnail size" set at 120px. When I edit such a page and use the "Show preview" button, [[file:filename.jpg|thumb|caption]], displays correct like a [[file:filename.jpg|thumb|120px|caption]]. Correct displaying also happens when I compare versions using "View history". I think 220px is the size that is used for not logged-in users. The problem started happening just 1 or 2 days ago. --FredTC (talk) 10:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

It was probably Wednesday's update. Ladsgroup, do you know what team this would be? (Your work account hasn't been here, so I'm pinging your volunteer one.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

That Wednesday is now 3 weeks ago. It is still not working correct. Using the "Switch to legacy parser" link makes it OK. So, the new Parsoid parser must be the problem. FredTC (talk) 12:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

@WhatamIdoing and @LPfi This is very very likely because of Parsoid for read project. I'd say create a ticket and tag "content transformers" team and Parsoid. Ladsgroup (talk) 11:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Done Thanks for the advice. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Recall that we agreed to change the default to 300px. This Phabricator request T357943 has stalled. Grahamsands (talk) 20:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Linking phab:T357943 for recordkeeping. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 22:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Danny Benjafield (WMDE), thanks for this note. This site still uses the old Vector skin. There are currently two links in the sidebar:

1. "Tools": Wikidata item to d:Special:EntityPage/Q16503
2. "In other projects": Wikidata to d:Wikidata:Project chat

Will both of those links now be in the same section, or is the plan to remove one of those links? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

There hasn't been any link to the wikidata item in "in other projects" on most pages. Project pages are special in that there may be an equivalent on Wikidata, in addition to the item page.

I think "in other projects" for this page should link to the Wikidata project chat, but according to Wikidata policies (cf Commons categories), I assume it will link to the item, unless we get two Wikidata entries in that section.

–LPfi (talk) 09:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think there should be two links on nearly all pages in the mainspace, as well as many templates and help pages. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello @WhatamIdoing, both of those links will move into the new section (In Other Projects). A ticket on this topic can be found on our workboard (Phabricator: T372566) and we will be investigating if any further work to differentiate those 2 links is required. -Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 12:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

That sounds okay to me. As long as we've got both links available, I think we'll learn which one does the thing we need. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, everyone! There's a discussion about changing the regional structure we use for Connecticut on the Talk:Connecticut page. So far, only two people are taking part, probably because no-one else knew about it. We need more opinions and thoughts, so please have a look at the discussion so far and leave a comment. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

What redirects do we want? There is a user (or several, but I think it is the same person) who creates redirects to neighbourhoods, landmarks and POIs in Finland. I cannot find any policy page on the matter and Wikivoyage:How to redirect a page gives little guidance.

Helsinki Central Station and Asematunneli are not in line with what we normally use redirects for, and a high-volume contributor who doesn't discuss such counter-practice actions makes me feel uncomfortable. (Asematunneli doesn't even seem to be mentioned on the target page, only in Helsinki#Buy).

The neighbourhood redirects (Sörnäinen, Vuosaari) are probably useful (although a search for the name should turn up the relevant article), arguable in line with practice, and they cause little harm as long as they are unique. However, if they set a precedent and we get redirects for ambiguous names, possibly to an obscure place instead of the well-known one, we might have a problem.

I think I have seen redirects also to individual attractions (well-known domestically, but not internationally), but I cannot find any such for Finland now.

–LPfi (talk) 11:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

The Helsinki ones have been added by an anonymous user using different IPs. I left a notice on their talk page a few hours ago, and vaguely remember that someone - possibly you - did the same some time ago.

Redirects can be used for individual sights that are really famous such as the Eiffel Tower, but not for stuff like Helsinki railway station let alone the underground shopping and restaurant area Asematunneli connecting the station to nearby retail buildings. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

There is some guidance at two places in Wikivoyage:What_is_an_article?:

If an attraction or an event is really famous, and travellers may not know the city or region it is in, then create an article with the attraction name as title, but make it a redirect to the appropriate destination article, and put the actual description of the attraction in the destination article. For example, Taj Mahal redirects to Agra and Burning Man redirects to Black Rock City.

Redirects are also used for extremely well-known attractions; for example The Alhambra redirects to Granada#The Alhambra.

It does not sound to me like the attractions mentioned here merit this sort of redirect. Pashley (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

If a redirect might help someone find the relevant article, especially if it points to the correct part of an article (that train station, for example, points to Helsinki/Central#Get in), then I'd be inclined to keep it, and maybe even to encourage their creation. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm with WhatamIdoing on this, also per WP:CHEAP. It can't exactly hurt to have redirects for railway stations and major landmarks if it helps travellers. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 21:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I am hesitant to change long-standing practice without some serious consideration of the effects. Redirects are cheap, but their names might not be – cheap redirects can pollute the namespace. Should Waterloo railway station point to Waterloo#By train or London/South Bank#By rail, or, God forbid, Austin#By train (Austin used to be called Waterloo) or Kitchener#Kitchener Railway Station (close to Waterloo, Ontario). The editor who creates a redirect might not come to think of the more well-known places of the same name. Such a redirect is cheap resource-wise, but may cause harm by leading readers astray. A search on the phrase turns up the four mentioned articles within the first half-dozen results, giving some context for the reader to choose the relevant one.

A search on "Helsinki railway station" or "Asematunneli" gives Helsinki as one of the first three results, and a click on By train or a search for Asematunneli gets you to the right place in that article. Pointing to the right district (Helsinki/Central, not a far-fetched guess) from where the place is mentioned wouldn't be harder than creating the redirect, and would help also those readers who try to navigate via the city article.

–LPfi (talk) 14:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

When there's genuine opportunity for confusion (e.g., rail stations with identical names), then those should be disambiguation pages, no? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, they should. The problem is that it may take a long time until some established user notices the problem. How often does one of us type "Waterloo" in the search box to find any of those stations? –LPfi (talk) 19:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

(indent) No, we should not create disambiguation pages for train stations nor should we be creating redirects for train stations. That's not something that has ever been encouraged. If redirects are "cheap", not creating them at all is even cheaper. The search engine is a feature not a bug, and the search engine proved to work for searching this station. We should not be creating redirects for every station, attraction, restaurant, etc. in every city. That's a lot of time wasted to solve a non-existent problem. In my experience, our redirects are more burdensome than useful and should be used sparingly. Stations, attractions, restaurants, etc searches should be left to the search engine. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I find the arguments made by LPfi, Pashley and ChubbyWimbus to be the most convincing. Let's not use redirects where the search engine is doing its job. A redirect takes the reader to one article, which may not be the right one; a search gives the reader a list of choices so they can choose the article they are looking for. Ground Zero (talk) 11:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Readers are unlikely to be looking for a train station without having some idea of where it is. Who says "I want to go to Waterloo Station in England" without knowing that it is in London? On the other hand "I want to go to the Taj Mahal in India" is much more likely. So train station redirects are generally not of much use. AlasdairW (talk) 21:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

What is important, but often neglected, is to provide links to the appropriate districts (ideally to the listings) in "huge city" articles, for important POIs, such as stations mentioned in Get in and famous sights. Similarly, the appropriate articles should be pointed to where individual attractions are mentioned in region and country articles. Sometimes a search works, but not for "Grand Hotel" or "Notre Dame" (a possible more specific name may not be known by the reader, or not mentioned in the article). –LPfi (talk) 09:41, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Alasdair, I agree that people will mostly know that Waterloo Station is in London, but:

• They might want to type "Waterloo Station" in the search bar, and automatically end up in the right place (or on a short dab page instead of a list of 260 search results).
• They probably won't know that "Waterloo Station in London" means going to London/South Bank#Q795691, which is why we've had a redirect from London Waterloo since 2017.

WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

If you type "Waterloo Station London", the first result is the district. Users should not expect to "automatically end up in the right place" by searching for random listings. We don't do that for listings. This goes back to the search being a FEATURE and not a bug. The first search result showing the correct article should not be viewed as a "problem". It's the optimal result. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 12:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dear all,

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The list should be mostly complete (not all students have chosen the topic, despite the deadline for the choice having passed over a week ago...). Feel free to watchlist those (as they will likely see some newbie mistakes). If you make changes/fixes, it is good to explain them in an edit summary so that the student can learn (I encourage my students to review the history of those pages and read edit summaries).

• Aletai
• Andong
• Burqin
• Dangjin
• Danyang
• Dazu
• dongying
• Emeishan
• Fuding
• Garzê
• Gonjiam District of Gwangju (Gyeonggi) and merged and redirected to that article.
• Hanzhong
• Hongseong
• Jincheng
• Jining_(Shandong)
• Jishou
• Libo County
• Luzhou
• Menghai
• Mohe
• Nonsan
• Pocheon
• Pu'er
• Putian
• Pyeongtaek
• Ruili
• Sanmenxia
• Seoul/East
• Seoul/North
• Shangrao
• Siheung
• Suqian
• wuhai
• Yanbian
• Yancheng
• Yangjiang
• Yangju
• Yecheon
• Yuzhou
• Zibo

Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 07:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

謝謝 for the heads up. For those who don't know, you can temporarily add pages to your watchlist, so the watching expires after x days. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 11:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, everyone! I'm not up to pinging a bunch of people right now, so I'm just posting here: we need to discuss districting for that city, and we will need a map that shows the agreed-upon districts. So far, a new user has unilaterally created two more district articles for the city, and that kind of piecemeal districting is not the way this site is supposed to work. There is also ongoing discussion about the best way to district Chengdu. I think it's reasonable to have discussions about any very big Chinese city with lots of things to list and coherent sections, as long as there are knowledgeable people and volunteers who are happy to add useful content. I've been to China twice but not too recently and only to several cities. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I haven't been to China to know how Chongqing should be districted, but if these were unilaterally created, shouldn't we speedy merge them for the time being? --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 06:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Go ahead, if you like. Dazu and Yuzhong, both started by new user User:Wuwenhao19960507. But I would suggest only hiding and not overwriting (=deleting) the content if you do redirects. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

If you really want to take this policy to its logical end, though, unilaterally created district articles for Chengdu will also have to be redirected. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dazu is not a new article. It has existed on this site for almost two decades. Wuwenhao19960507 did not create it. Moreover, it's outside the main urban. area, which is why it is listed on the Chongqing (municipality) page. I oppose merging Dazu but support merging Yuzhong (though I believe central Chongqing should be districtified eventually). STW932 (talk) 07:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

You're right. Sorry, I didn't realize I was looking at only the latest page of the history. Dazu shouldn't be merged. Only Yuzhong is new. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't know enough about Chongqing to do any of the merges, to be fair. I'd rather abstain. SHB2000 (t | c | m) 09:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Me, too. Besides, this isn't an emergency. If it takes a day (or a week) to figure it out, then that's okay. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's not an emergency; it just needs discussion and agreement. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'd say places in the municipality but outside the central urban area -- Qijiang, Qianjiang, Dazu & maybe others later -- are fine as separate articles. We should keep Chongqing (municipality) or (I think better) move it to Chongqing Municipality.

The Chongqing article is a good candidate for districting & Yuzhong looks to me like a good candidate for one of the districts. Pashley (talk) 17:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please share your thoughts on Talk:Chongqing. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello everyone, I was born in Yuzhong District, Chongqing. Initially, I wanted to edit the page about my hometown, Yuzhong District, but I couldn't find it in the administrative divisions. As this is my first time editing on Wikipedia, I thought creating a new page for an area would be simple. However, I quickly realized it was more complex than I expected. So, instead, I decided to edit the existing travel guide for Dazu District.

I would like to share that Chongqing currently has 26 districts, 8 counties, and 4 autonomous counties. Editing every administrative region would involve handling a massive amount of data. While I would love to do that, time and personal capacity limit me. Therefore, I've chosen to focus on Dazu District, particularly highlighting it as a World Heritage site and offering detailed information for visitors from all over the world.

I removed some outdated information about Dazu because it has been six years since the last update, and much of the content was no longer accurate. For example, ticket prices have changed, and transportation methods have evolved with the addition of new stations. Over the next two months, I will devote my efforts to thoroughly editing the page on Dazu. First, I’ve visited this place many times, and second, it truly deserves to be explored by people from every country. Wuwenhao19960507 (talk) 00:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for work on Dazu. I visited Dazu in October last year and I hope to do some editing on that page myself when I have time. STW932 (talk) 05:44, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, Wuwenhao19960507, for your work to update that page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

This one is straightforward, but I really can't handle all this work by myself: Gonjiam is part of Gwangju (Gyeonggi) city and needs to be moved and redirected there. I just merged and redirected Munseom to Seogwipo. A stub about an island that may be misnamed might need deletion, rather than anything else. See User talk:Xisuux#Moon Island for that one. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Looking at Special:LonelyPages, which lists pages with no links from other articles, I find several more that likely need merging & redirecting. Pashley (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Worth looking at. In the meantime, I started Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion#Moon Island. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Meanwhile, I did make the merge from Gonjiam to Gwangju (Gyeonggi). Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:39, 11 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

A technically savvy admin should please go to Special:AbuseFilter/48. Thanks! Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've responded, though we should probably discuss this at Special:AbuseFilter/52. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 07:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Although we have mentioned the Durga Puja festival at Hinduism, India, Kolkata#Do, I think it is not enough, as Durga Puja is a large event in Kolkata, and an ICH since 2022. While WV:EA restricts creating event articles that are not international, it gives some exceptions in case-by-case basis, like Vivid Sydney. Even if Durga Puja does not qualify as a separate event article, maybe its notable venues can be listed in individual districts. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

It looks like WV:EA is applicable for events in a given year only, not for event topics. We have Olympic Games and FIFA World Cup articles as travel topics. So we can have Durga Puja as a separate travel topic, especially as it is not limited to one city, although the Kolkata one is the most famous. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

[edit conflict] A UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage (I had to look the initialism up). According to the linked Wikivoyage:Event articles, the main criterium is about whether it would overwhelm the city article. I assume this festival could. I also assume that those who want to experience it are better served by an article than having the event split over many district articles. I suppose many of the venues are worth individual listings (read: interesting also at other times), while some aren't. Hoe to handle that without duplicating information or making less important venues stand out in the event article, I don't know. LPfi (talk) 11:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think WV:EA is applicable for events in a given year only, like Paris 2024 and Los Angeles 2028 (both Olympics), and not for articles like Olympic Games and FIFA World Cup. My proposed article would be similar to the latter, with listings to individual venues in Kolkata, as well as listings to other cities where the festival is notable. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

There should also be advice to eat, drink, sleep, stay safe, stay healthy, etc. as the streets to the venues are narrow and can be heavily crowded, especially at night. There are also issues with women's clothing, where you have to avoid revealing dresses while visiting the venues. This can be covered under the Respect section. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think there is room for more than one travel topic on huge Hindu festivals and pilgrimages. Please go ahead and start the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

I agree. This would be an excellent travel topic article. I look forward to reading it. Ground Zero (talk) 16:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks a lot. I'll start the article tomorrow, according to my local time. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 16:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

@LPfi, Ikan Kekek, Ground Zero: I have started Durga Puja for some days, with my experience and the help of Wikipedia articles. Feel free to expand it if you know more about the festival. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 15:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Super! I really don't know much about the holiday, myself. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello all,

Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election. Close to 6000 community members from more than 180 wiki projects have voted.

The following four candidates were the most voted:

1. Christel Steigenberger
2. Maciej Artur Nadzikiewicz
3. Victoria Doronina
4. Lorenzo Losa

While these candidates have been ranked through the vote, they still need to be appointed to the Board of Trustees. They need to pass a successful background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the Bylaws. New trustees will be appointed at the next Board meeting in December 2024.

Learn more about the results on Meta-Wiki.

Best regards,

The Elections Committee and Board Selection Working Group

MPossoupe_(WMF) 08:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Each year, typically from October through December, several of the movement’s committees seek new volunteers.

Read more about the committees on their Meta-wiki pages:

• Affiliations Committee (AffCom)
• Ombuds commission (OC)
• Case Review Committee (CRC)

Applications for the committees open on 16 October 2024. Applications for the Affiliations Committee close on 18 November 2024, and applications for the Ombuds commission and the Case Review Committee close on 2 December 2024. Learn how to apply by visiting the appointment page on Meta-wiki. Post to the talk page or email [email protected] with any questions you may have.

For the Committee Support team,

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 23:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply