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- Discussion about Europe hierarchy is taking place on Talk:Europe/Hierarchy. Old threads that used to be here were archived. -- (WT-en) JanSlupski 15:18, 5 Feb 2005 (EST)
Banner
[edit source]Title. The latter is also on a banner contest in Talk:Austria although it's likely the current will stay. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:00, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- I think banner four is the optimal choice. I dunno, there's something visually pleasing about it. My other bet is on banner two. Roovinn (talk) 12:47, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think either do a good job of summing up Central Europe. Although the hills are representative of much of the southern part of the region, they are not distinctive, and apart from the Alps are not the main reason for visting the region. I would rather see some of the 19th century architecture which has common style elements across the former Austria-Hungary. AlasdairW (talk) 23:49, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
- The current Bavaria banner is very representative for the region. We could scout out a new banner for Bavaria. /Yvwv (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. My prefernces are 3,2,0,1. I like banner 3, as it is represntative without (to me) suggesting a particular place. AlasdairW (talk) 11:18, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- My preferences are 4, 3, 1, 0. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 17:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- 4, 3, 1. The Neuschwanstein Castle is too specific to stand for the whole region, and the existing banner is OK but not inspiring. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:30, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like there's a clear majority for 4. Will replace soon. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:47, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- 4, 3, 1. The Neuschwanstein Castle is too specific to stand for the whole region, and the existing banner is OK but not inspiring. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:30, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- My preferences are 4, 3, 1, 0. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 17:27, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. My prefernces are 3,2,0,1. I like banner 3, as it is represntative without (to me) suggesting a particular place. AlasdairW (talk) 11:18, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
DACH
[edit source]As an attempt to divide the list of countries in Central Europe while not introducing new articles, I have split the region into German-speaking and Slavo-Hungarian countries. I initially though of calling the German-speaking subregion "German Europe", but turns out it's non-neutral and possibly neo-Nazi. So, SHB2000 has suggested "DACH" (Deutschland + Austria + Confederatio Helvetica), and I have thus called it "DACH countries". However, Ground Zero opposes it and says he has never heard of that name, and honestly I have never heard of it either. So, let's settle this naming of the German-speaking subregion here, and we can simply rename it to "German-speaking countries" if we want. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:32, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- I don't see the need for subdividing the countries of this region at all. What value does it add for travellers? Ground Zero (talk) 11:37, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- Both me and SHB thought it could break a long list into two smaller one, helping travellers navigate the list of countries a bit easily. Also, they don't need to carry multiple phrasebooks if they plan to travel only the German-speaking countries of Central Europe (the "DACH" countries), which have a lot of things in common. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:42, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- Grouping Germany, Austria and Switzerland together makes sense. The term "Germanic Europe" would in a strict sense include the Netherlands and Scandinavia, but makes sense a historic context before the German unification in the 19th century (see Amish and Mennonites). Which terminology is used in German? /Yvwv (talk) 11:43, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- The relevant German term here is "DACH", short for Germany (Deutschland), Austria and Switzerland (Confederatio Helvetica). It's a pun on "Dachsprache" (umbrella language), which refers to a language form that serves as a standard language in a country above other dialects (High German in this case, as opposed to Low German or Bavarian). Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:49, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- We are not writing en.wikivoyage for German-speakers. German Wikivoyage includes all of these countries -- and the Baltic states -- in Mitteleuropa, without subdividing them. Ground Zero (talk) 11:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- German Wikivoyage might have a different rule, and they probably don't follow the WV:7+2 rule that we like to follow here. Anyway, I personally don't like the acronym in an English travel guidebook either, instead preferring "German-speaking countries". Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:57, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- Because of their size and the quantity of content, I think that we have accepted that Europe and the United States will be exceptions the WV:7+2 rule that we have made to make navigation easier for travellers. Ground Zero (talk) 13:32, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- Actually, I don't see more than 7+2 countries in the list. –LPfi (talk) 11:05, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
- Not in Central Europe, no. But in Europe and USA and South America and Peru.... Ground Zero (talk) 11:14, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
- Actually, I don't see more than 7+2 countries in the list. –LPfi (talk) 11:05, 16 April 2026 (UTC)
- Because of their size and the quantity of content, I think that we have accepted that Europe and the United States will be exceptions the WV:7+2 rule that we have made to make navigation easier for travellers. Ground Zero (talk) 13:32, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- German Wikivoyage might have a different rule, and they probably don't follow the WV:7+2 rule that we like to follow here. Anyway, I personally don't like the acronym in an English travel guidebook either, instead preferring "German-speaking countries". Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:57, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- We are not writing en.wikivoyage for German-speakers. German Wikivoyage includes all of these countries -- and the Baltic states -- in Mitteleuropa, without subdividing them. Ground Zero (talk) 11:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- The relevant German term here is "DACH", short for Germany (Deutschland), Austria and Switzerland (Confederatio Helvetica). It's a pun on "Dachsprache" (umbrella language), which refers to a language form that serves as a standard language in a country above other dialects (High German in this case, as opposed to Low German or Bavarian). Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:49, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- Grouping Germany, Austria and Switzerland together makes sense. The term "Germanic Europe" would in a strict sense include the Netherlands and Scandinavia, but makes sense a historic context before the German unification in the 19th century (see Amish and Mennonites). Which terminology is used in German? /Yvwv (talk) 11:43, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- Both me and SHB thought it could break a long list into two smaller one, helping travellers navigate the list of countries a bit easily. Also, they don't need to carry multiple phrasebooks if they plan to travel only the German-speaking countries of Central Europe (the "DACH" countries), which have a lot of things in common. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 11:42, 15 April 2026 (UTC)