After a recent edit, we say that 'to this day John Paul II is highly revered in the country' (changed from 'widely'). I think the new wording means that he is highly revered by nearly all the population. Is that true, even among people grown up after he died (which would be all young people)? The dog2, have you recently been to Poland or what's your source? –LPfi (talk) 10:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

I suppose the political developments, partly with connection to religion (such as controversy about abortion), could have affected the view on the Church and also on John Paul II. The current paragraph says that his pontificate brought 'brief reprieve from this history' (what parts of it remains unclear), but nothing about how that was achieved. I think the paragraph (in History) should be rewritten. –LPfi (talk) 10:57, 15 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Oh, I thought it was a typo. "Highly revered" just seemed more idiomatic to me than "widely revered". The dog2 (talk) 13:38, 15 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

OK. I hope somebody can rewrite the paragraph. I assume he was important and highly revered in the 1980s (gosh! was he elected pope already in 1978, I had the impression I remembered it), but I don't know what people think of him now. –LPfi (talk) 15:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

I will try to rewrite it a bit, John Paul II had nearly a cult of personality status since he became Pope, but especially after his death in 2005. Offending/criticising the pope was a taboo just 10 years ago and only recently there are some doubts about his role in Polish history, so pretty much he remains popular, just not that popular (or 'highly revered' if you wish). Krystian55 (talk) 21:53, 29 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

"Highly revered" sounds really odd. "Widely revered" sounds more natural to me. Ground Zero (talk) 07:10, 30 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

I've also never heard of "higly revered", only "widely revered". I suppose it's a region-specific thing maybe? --SHB (t | c | m) 07:13, 30 January 2025 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I just edited the "get around by bicycle" section to say that Polish drivers are comparatively careful around bicycles. This is my genuine experience from cycling through Poland. Elsewhere on the page, you can read "The Poles' aggressive driving behaviour is legendary". While theoretically both can be true (with drivers only being aggressive among one another, not to more vulnerable traffic), this will surely be confusing to readers. So what do you think? Steinbach (talk) 10:59, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

Yeah I think two things can be true as you mention – but maybe specify something along the lines of "while Polish drivers can be aggressive among one another, in comparison, they are significantly more careful around bicycles". //shb (t | c | m) 11:34, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

That sounds fair enough. I'd like to know Polish people, or frequent visitors to the country, think about this. Do they have similar experiences about traffic in Poland. Steinbach (talk) 13:38, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Piotrus: any chance you could comment on this matter? //shb (t | c | m) 23:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

We should stick to sources, of course (even if we don't cite them). Speaking strictly from some personal experience, and as an expat (I live abroad, not in Poland), I can say that Polish drivers are much better than Korean :P I can't say I heard any legends about aggressive driving behavior by Poles, but I also don't drive. I also recall people saying (and it matches my personal observation) that Polish drivers became much better in the past decade or so in the context of stopping before pedestrian crosswalks (as in: they do, it is a norm). Btw, we have a subarticle on Driving in Poland, apparently... Piotrus (talk) 04:32, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

This kind of thing is somewhat subjective, and Wikivoyage is expressly based on personal experience, not sources like Wikipedia. However, it has to be fair. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:37, 15 May 2025 (UTC)Reply