@Wauteurz as a person that has spent the last 30 years in the Swedish Archipelago its still confusing finding around so then I thought at least two ways to navigate....

As this is used as an footer cool would be top have a minimap of something like Stockholm Archipelago Trail/Getting in that you could click in...

The odd thing is that walking the different sections is not the challenge... the big challenge is to undertand how do I find the next section AND how to transport to the next section.... I walked this preseason and right now its high season so its a littebit better and in end June we have a new ferry line for a month "North/South" that hopefully make it easier... but I guess we will se new challenges... Salgo60 (talk) 07:19, 10 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

Per Wikivoyage practice, the subarticle should probably be Stockholm Archipelago Trail/Get in. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:42, 10 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

I get what your intent is with listing both ways, but the template's goal should just be to explain which parts the route consist of. Stockholm Archipelago Trail#Destinations can, together with a well-crafted map, explain how they geographically relate to each other. I'm more than willing to help with a dynamic and/or static map. I can make both, so just let me know what you need on my talk page :)

As for what @Ikan Kekek says: The article should be /Get in, but considering The traveller comes first, it probably is just best merged into the other articles. Articles and sub-articles should fit our format (i.e., have complete information about how to get in, around, et cetera). In the case of getting in, SAT just needs to give the general points from which ferries can be taken to which islands. See for example West Frisian Islands#Get in for a simple example of how that can be done. The main article should serve to help the reader find out which trails they want to go and walk. When they've found the trails that appeal to them, the individual sub-articles give them the details of how that particular trail works, what all there is to see and how to prepare for the hike. If the individual islands are also connected, they are best listed in the sub-articles' Go next paragraph, possibly with the use of {{Routebox}}.
― Wauteurz (talk) 12:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Wauteurz Thank you for your work on this do what you think is best

I believe I may be the only person who has completed a full hike-through of Stockholm Archipelago Trail, the interest is big as

Stockholm Archipelago has a great name, evoking positive feelings among both Swedes and international visitors. The fact that Times has highlighted this hike as one of the Times must-visit destinations for 2025 / BBCfurther enhances its appeal.

Traveling from north to south in the Swedish Archipelago has proven to be quite challenging. My approach is based on an agile mindset what is best, which I’ve experience as a Scrum Master at one of Sweden’s largest banks, working with international transactions. One key lesson I’ve learned is that it's difficult to predict what will work best until you have firsthand experience.

That’s why I find it a bit surprising when people make definitive statements about what works or doesn’t without having actually walked the Stockholm Archipelago Trail (SAT). To help foster engagement and learn what works or not, I created a Facebook group called "Stockholm Archipelago Trail," but I've noticed fewer people walking multiple sections than I initially expected. This has been somewhat disappointing, but also a lesson in how even local travelers find it difficult to navigate the archipelago.

When I completed my hike, I often started early in the morning—leaving home at 6:30 AM and returning by 10 PM. In many cases, the travel time exceeded the actual walking time. The challenge becomes even greater for those who do not speak Swedish, adding another layer of complexity.

One Article vs. One Per Section

As mentioned earlier, the sections are not truly connected, which means a single article does not add much value for a traveler just getting it more confusing is my believe.

• I conducted a test and encountered issues with the marker template.

Since this project is still in its early stages, I am using a data-driven approach, which can be explored further at d:Wikidata:WikiProject_Stockholm_Archipelago_Trail.

> template's goal should just be to explain which parts the route consist

as said this is a route that

• For non-Swedish travelers, clear guidance is essential to navigating the trail efficiently. In addition to explaining the route’s sections, it would be helpful to provide details on:
• The next nearest trail to help hikers plan their journey if they wish to explore nearby routes.
  • Possible connections between sections—not just the closest one, but also which sections are accessible based on ferry routes. Since ferry lines don’t always follow a straightforward path and stops often have different names than the islands they serve
• a visual guide or a well-explained map could be crucial

See Ferry Network map how "impossible" it is how to travel between sections. I did a try to add some icons to ferry stops that was related to a section of the trail... see GITHUB another test with another ferry map Salgo60 (talk) 10:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Salgo60 I'm not saying what I am because I think I know better. I have only spent about two or three weeks of my life in Stockholm, and I am not a devoted hiker. I didn't even know of these trails' existence until this article popped up. The only thing I have going for me in that department is that I can understand Swedish and express myself in the language.

I am saying what I'm saying because Wikivoyage has a very thorough Manual of Style, which sets outlines for how articles should be formatted and written. Currently, SAT doesn't fit its consistency requirement (i.e., following an article skeleton). My previous comment was mostly intended to help the article meet that requirement.

I think that the result with dynamic maps you're after surpasses the capabilities of our templates. That's not necessarily an issue as you can load external GeoJSONs (hosted on Commons) into a dynamic map, and that will probably be the best approach for putting a data-driven approach into practise.

I will go ahead and add a Get in paragraph for the main article the way I envision it. Where my knowledge comes up short, I'll leave some <!-- Comments --> which I hope you will be able to resolve with your knowledge of the trail network. This project has great potential to become something beautiful on Wikivoyage though, don't get me wrong. It might just benefit from a bit of guidance to make it work with the way this site works.
― Wauteurz (talk) 13:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Wauteurz "that I can understand Swedish and express myself in the language"

Please check the alternatives I write about to communicate how to explain for a foreigner how to travel what you think is working

• I as Swedish speaking thinks traveling with the ferries is a nightmare... ;-)
• my suggestion was allowing Google Map links but that seem to be out of the scope of WIkiVoyage

The options I see

• 1) tell the user use use swedish timetables without a link.... and wish them good luck
• 1-1) or link pdf table 19
• 1-1-1) Note this changes 3–4 times a year, so maintenance will be required the current timetable ends in 10 days and the next is 20 JUNI 2025 – 17 AUGUSTI 2025
• 2) Swedish Web page for Timetables
• 2-1) Perhaps we can link to the Swedish trip planner, which includes ferry schedules
• 2-1-2) The user may need to set the correct date manually (e.g., Saturday = "lördag" in Swedish).
  • example 59.12949118.4049531 Dalarö ferry stop -> 59.03553718.510512 Fjärdlång ferry stop link the Swedish web app ( swedish fredag) - maybe the user can understand to set correct date - There's no assurance that they aren't monitoring us...
• 3) warning warning check Google Map.... without a link or with a link
• 4) call the ferry company +46-8-600 10 00 they understand english

As you see most is written in Swedish and with all options its even a nightmare for speaking Swedish people

My goal with Wikivoyage was to simplify the journey for visitors to Sweden and the trail, helping them discover and reach the island more easily.... now I am not sure Wikivoyage will support the traveller... more than dots on a map... Salgo60 (talk) 14:03, 11 June 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Salgo60 Tack så mycket! A lot is possible, trust me. I just need a good idea of what data is available, and how this can be used to serve the traveller, so I'll have a look through the other data you've linked. Wikivoyage's "support" doesn't extend much beyond giving the information needed when travelling, but even then you can go a long way to making the planning of a visit easier. Wikivoyage definitely can simplify the journey and help with discovering, access, et cetera. What I mostly meant is that Wikivoyage works in a specific way, and readers expect articles to function a certain way because of that. The SAT articles should fit that mould so it doesn't just become a set of articles in a vacuum.

As for the language barrier, we have a Swedish phrasebook which can be expanded with necessary basic information. Hiking-network specific terms can be described in the SAT article. See for example Rail travel in the Netherlands, where static route information is explained.

I've gone ahead and made sure that the main article follows the style of an itinerary and left a few of those comments in the source code. I'll also relay them onto the article's talk page shortly. It's probably best to continue this conversation there :)
― Wauteurz (talk) 14:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)Reply