Talk:Ukraine

What does this mean?[edit]

Just in facebook groups as in "Работа в польше" cash in US$100 In 2024 journey from Poland to Lviv we need your Wi-Fi passenger vehicle 9 to 12 parody Schengen area zone is the only overland truck has scheduled.

Huh? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:23, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understood none of that. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unless someone can explain it, I propose that we remove the sentence in 48 hours. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I don't think even ChatGPT can decipher that. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 01:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was vandalism and was reverted. See User talk:Baekih Kaplik. This vandal put info about a nonexistent taxi company, or at least one with a URL with no server, on multiple articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What a weirdly written message. Roovinn (talk) 11:38, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ironically (given that I flunked Russian 101 in uni), the only part of that I understand is "Работа в польше" - Working in Poland.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second-largest country in Europe[edit]

Why was that deleted? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roovinn was the one that deleted it. I'm guessing we do not know how much territory will remain under Ukrainian control when the war is over. The dog2 (talk) 23:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing that is because France controls more territory if we exclude the occupied areas? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 23:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about just substituting "one of the largest countries in Europe"? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, go for it. I don't see why that would be controversial. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 23:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it because I didn't think that part was necessary. Roovinn (talk) 08:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, but its being a large country is relevant. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:06, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Roovinn (talk) 06:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dnieper/Dnipro River[edit]

I think we should cover this in the "Respect" section. "Dnieper River" is the most common name in English, and is used by many people out of habit even if they are ardent Russophobes, so I think it behooves us to tell people that when you are talking to a Ukrainian, you should call it the "Dnipro River", lest they default to the traditional English name out of habit. English speakers may not be aware that the name they most commonly used was derived from Russian. The dog2 (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is covered by "do not refer to Ukrainian towns and places by their Russian names". It's a question of whether this should be a travel article, or an article about "All of the Things You Should Not Do When You Visit This Country Because its Residents Take Offence to Everything and Because the Readers are Insensitive Dolts".

I think it should be a travel article, but that's just me. Ground Zero (talk) 16:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

not just you, GZ, I'm backing you up on this, 110%. Ibaman (talk) 17:04, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. No reason for special remarks on one river's name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a very historically significant river in Russian and Ukrainian history, so you are very likely to come across the name in any discussion of Russian or Ukrainian history. It's not just any other river. Kyiv is on the bank of the river, and that was where Vladimir/Volodymyr baptised his people into Christianity. Russians and Ukrainians have a very heated dispute on whether the Rus' should be considered Russian or Ukrainian, which I'm not going to take a side on here, but needless to say, the river is of huge significance to both Russians and Ukrainians because of that. The dog2 (talk) 17:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WV:Tone#Don't assume the reader is an idiot: possibly every soul on the planet who cares about this dispute is aware of the existence and significance of this river, as they are aware that Zelenski is Volodymyr and Putin is Vladimir, not the other way around. It's not Wikivoyage's goal to digress on historic minutia, we exist to serve the traveller with traveller's info. AGAIN, PLEASE, PLEASE stop with this relentless drive to encyclopedize and ruin the lively prose. Ibaman (talk) 18:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not more important than Odesa/Odessa or Kyiv/Kiev. A table of Russian names and their Ukrainian equivalents seems like a good idea - on Wikipedia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is "Dnieper River" the most common name in English, though? I've always used Dnipro River my entire life and had no idea that the other spelling existed. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 20:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

as per my reading list on history and geography, "Dnieper" is way more common, as Kiev, Lvov, Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk and Krivoy Rog used to be, not too long ago. Ibaman (talk) 21:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, I assume the traveller, after having read that there are different Russian and English names, should understand that some names that have traditionally been used are indeed based on the Russian forms. Whether they nevertheless want to use the name traditionally used in English, or don't bother to check, isn't up to us. And I assume Ukrainians will forgive us for sometimes using the "wrong" name out of habit or ignorance. I am quite annoyed by Swedes talking about Helsinki or Turku, out of respect for "the" language of Finland, to me, who speaks the country's other national language with them. Still, that won't spoil my day and if they do it out of ignorance, I won't have hard feelings. –LPfi (talk) 10:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe; one of my closest mates' grandad is Ukrainian and might have influenced my spellings. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:57, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]