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Spinoff Article on Food.
I've noticed that we have separate articles for some different cuisines, such as Japanese, Chinese, Indian and Russian cuisine. I was wondering if we should create a separate article covering the cuisine of Malaysia and Singapore (and maybe Brunei?) since both countries have a shared culinary tradition, having such an article means that we can shorten the main Malaysia and Singapore articles, and do more justice to the cuisine within the standalone articles. This will also allow us to go into more detail about regional variations in Malaysian cuisine (for instance, I used to travel to Penang fairly regularly since you can't find some of those dishes in Johor). In addition, I think it would be fine to lump Singaporean and Malaysian cuisine together since for practical purposes, Singaporean cuisine can be considered a regional variant of Malaysian cuisine (unlike say, Thai or Vietnamese cuisine, which are completely distinct). The dog2 (talk) 17:37, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think the cuisine articles are a bit questionable, to the extent they are shorter versions of what's on Wikipedia, so while I think your idea is fine, let's try to keep it very travel-focused by recommending particular places to get x, y and z dishes, etc. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:00, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with your assessment on the cuisine articles. I'm not sure where is a good place to start a discussion about how to reformat the cuisine articles in general, but I think the focus should be on describing the regional variations in cuisine. Of course, we can dedicate a part to describing national dishes that are available more or less everywhere throughout the country, but how such articles can be useful for travellers is by describing where to get specific types of food. For instance, if you want to get chicken rice, southern Malaysia (Johor, Malacca) and Singapore are best for that, but if you want assam laksa, you have a head to Penang for that. And even in the case of things available nationally like nasi kandar, Penang is where it originated from, and most Malaysians will tell you that Penang is the place to go for the best nasi kandar. The dog2 (talk) 20:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- And speaking of which, we haven't even mentioned anything about Eurasian cuisine in either the Malaysia or Singapore articles. It is most certainly something that is distinct from Peranakan, Malay, Chinese or Indian cuisine. They have dishes like devil's curry, sugee cake or Eurasian shepherd's pie that you really can't find outside the region. The dog2 (talk) 20:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not familiar with Malaysian Eurasian cuisine, maybe partly because I spent the majority of my time there in Terengganu. You know a lot about this cuisine and where to best get it, so by all means, start the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:04, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- I don't actually know it well. I just went to a Eurasian restaurant in Singapore once. But those are some of their signature dishes. I know you can find them at the Portuguese Settlement in Malacca too, but I never tried it there. I'll create the article when I have a bit more time, perhaps during the weekend or something. I've never been to Terengganu though (the furthest up the east coast I've been to is Mersing), so maybe you can contribute your knowledge about Terengganu food. The dog2 (talk) 04:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- I meant that you know Malaysia/Singapore cuisine well. Terengganu#Eat has a little content, as does Kuala Terengganu#Eat. And then for Kelantanese food, there's Kota Bharu#Eat and Kelantan#Eat. It will be good to put that information in one place. Any article on Malaysian food needs to emphasize fresh fruits - vegetables, too, but especially fruits. I love Malaysian cuisine, but the fresh fruits are one of the best things about eating in Malaysia. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:03, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Side point on satay
The most common kinds of satay are what? I'd say chicken and goat, but the article says chicken and beef. Is that currently accurate? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:29, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'd say it's chicken, mutton and beef, at least if you're talking about authentic Malay satay. If you go to a Chinese-run satay stall, sometimes they use pork too, which is obviously not halal. The dog2 (talk) 16:23, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
- To most English-speakers, "mutton" means the meat of adult sheep. I think you actually mean goat, don't you? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:51, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- I guess traditionally, it would be goat since sheep are not native to the region, but it would be halal even if you use sheep, provided it is slaughtered the proper way. I guess a confusion can arise because there are no separate words for goat and sheep in many Asian languages. I know for sure Chinese doesn't, and I believe Malay doesn't either. The dog2 (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- It does. Goat is kambing and sheep is kambing biri-biri. Using "mutton" instead of "goat" will confuse everyone who doesn't know that "mutton" in Malaysian/Singapore English means "goat". Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:00, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- I guess in Chinese, you can use 綿羊 to refer to sheep, and 山羊 to refer to goat, but quite often, we just use 羊, which can either mean sheep or goat. So 羊肉 can either mean sheep meat or goat meat. Likewise, in Singaporean (and I presume Malaysian) English, both sheep meat and goat meat are called mutton. The dog2 (talk) 04:21, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- It does. Goat is kambing and sheep is kambing biri-biri. Using "mutton" instead of "goat" will confuse everyone who doesn't know that "mutton" in Malaysian/Singapore English means "goat". Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:00, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
- I guess traditionally, it would be goat since sheep are not native to the region, but it would be halal even if you use sheep, provided it is slaughtered the proper way. I guess a confusion can arise because there are no separate words for goat and sheep in many Asian languages. I know for sure Chinese doesn't, and I believe Malay doesn't either. The dog2 (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
- To most English-speakers, "mutton" means the meat of adult sheep. I think you actually mean goat, don't you? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:51, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Where to include information about Malaysian curries
I'd like to include this, but I don't know whether it's specifically Malay and belongs in the subsection on Malay cuisine, or whether it's more generically Malaysian and belongs elsewhere:
- Gulai and "kari" are the generic Malay words for "curry". Malay curries are made with a base of coconut milk (not yogurt, as in Northern Indian cuisine) and typically use a rempah (spice mixture) that includes turmeric, shallots, garlic, shrimp paste and dried or fresh chilis. Malaysian tamarind is also frequently used, and if the taste of tamarind is particularly pronounced, it may be called a "kari asam" dish. Curries can feature fish (ikan), chicken (ayam), goat (kambing), shrimp (udang), vegetables, etc.
We also need to cover asam dishes and sayur (not generic vegetables: the dish, usually a side dish, of certain kinds of vegetables boiled in coconut milk with fresh chilis). Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:41, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
- Sayur is most certainly Malay food. I'm not sure if asam is purely Malay though, as if you go to Penang, Asam Laksa is typically sold by a Chinese and not a Malay. And down in Singapore, we like to put asam in our fish head curry too. @Chongkian:: Based on the articles you are active in, you seem very knowledgeable about Malaysia, so what are your thoughts on this? The dog2 (talk) 16:21, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
- I wonder if there should be a section on Malaysian food that spans ethnicities ("races", in Malaysian terms). Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:51, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Wikidata items for dynamic map
To the right is the map with all Wikidata items for the states of Malaysia. This should simplify the work in case we want to change the district set-up in the future. The tool Wikidata Extractor has been used to create the mapshapes.--Renek78 (talk) 08:22, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Gigantic urban slums
However, you will not find extreme rural poverty or gigantic urban slums as in other places in Southeast Asia
I haven't been to Malaysia since 2003, so I'd like an update on whether the shantytown neighborhood near Brickfields, Kuala Lumpur is still there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:11, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
- I haven't visited Kuala Lumpur since 2010, and I didn't visit Brickfields, but in general, compared to when I visited Bangkok two years ago, it appears that the poverty in Kuala Lumpur is not as bad as what you get in Bangkok. As for rural poverty, I encountered some of it in fishing villages in Penang state on the mainland side, but nothing like the crippling poverty I encountered in rural Myanmar. When you travel to rural Myanmar, local vendors will swarm you trying to get you to buy souvenirs from them, while in Malaysia, they generally just stay in their shops and leave you alone unless you approach them to buy something. In fact, it is pretty obvious that Malaysia is not as reliant on tourist dollars as Myanmar, Vietnam or Thailand, as you find much fewer shops catering exclusively to tourists.
- @Chongkian: Do you by any chance know anything about this? The dog2 (talk) 06:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- I visited Brickfield about a few months ago, and it was no where near 'typical' Southeast Asia slump area. It is probably more similar like the old town during the European colonial period, but not was nowhere near 'dirty' or unorganized. There were no beggars or people sleeping on the street. So I dont think Brickfields can be categorized as one (slum). Chongkian (talk) 07:45, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- It sounds like KL is doing better than New York, nowadays! I couldn't say there are no beggars or people sleeping on the street in the East Village! Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:43, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- The KL LRT is more pleasant to use than the NYC Subway. I will testify to that. The dog2 (talk) 16:28, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
- Of course it is! It's way newer and not as crowded! Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
"restricted to enter"
This is in the warningbox. I don't recognize this phrase as English, because at least as I understand my native tongue, a person can't be restricted to do something, rather than restricted to, for example, a particular area. Does it mean forbidden to enter or subjected to restrictions that prohibit entry except on x or y condition? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:36, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek:I will think not allowed to enter will be good. The only exceptions seems to be goods trucks going to Singapore are allowed back to Malaysia?--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK, so let's mention that. If there are other exceptions someone knows about, they can be added. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- For now, I just used the phrase "tourists are not allowed to enter", but what about business travelers (not truckers but someone arriving to try to make deals or whatever)? Are foreigners just plain barred from entry, period, unless they're driving a truck? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek:From whag I hear here in Singapore, it is a blanket ban. You will be a better position for exceptions, I know the goods trucks as our Singapore media reported it. --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 19:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not in a better position. I'm a New Yorker and haven't been to Malaysia since 2003. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:50, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- My best attempt. Anyone who has more exact information should please provide it. For example, cargo ships may be allowed in, too, but I wouldn't know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:53, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not in a better position. I'm a New Yorker and haven't been to Malaysia since 2003. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:50, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek:From whag I hear here in Singapore, it is a blanket ban. You will be a better position for exceptions, I know the goods trucks as our Singapore media reported it. --Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 19:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- For now, I just used the phrase "tourists are not allowed to enter", but what about business travelers (not truckers but someone arriving to try to make deals or whatever)? Are foreigners just plain barred from entry, period, unless they're driving a truck? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK, so let's mention that. If there are other exceptions someone knows about, they can be added. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Type of script used in Kelantan
Malaysia#Talk says this:
Arabic is taught to those who attend Islamic religious schools, and many clerics as well as other very observant Muslims will have a functional command of Arabic. However, it is not widely spoken, though the Malay language does have a large number of loan words from Arabic. You also might notice some examples of Malay written with Arabic letters. This is called Jawi, and it is still used for religious publications and inscriptions, especially in states like Kelantan, although the Latin alphabet is much more commonly used throughout the country.
I'm a little confused. Does that mean the Latin alphabet is used in Kelantan more, or is Malay with Arabic letters. @Ikan Kekek, The dog2:, by any chance, do you both know whether it's the Latin or Arabic alphabet used more? Kelantan says nothing about the Arabic script being used. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ikan Kekek will be a better person to comment on this, because I haven't been further up the East Coast of Peninsular Malaysia than Mersing. But in Malaysia, the Latin alphabet is the official script, and that's what I saw whenever I have travelled to Malaysia. In Brunei, both the Latin alphabet and Arabic script are official, but based on what friends from Brunei have told me, the Latin alphabet is by far the more common script they use. The dog2 (talk) 19:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rumi is used more in every state of Malaysia, but Jawi is used more in Kelantan than in any other state. That was certainly true as of 2003, but I doubt it's changed. The phrase "the Latin alphabet is much more commonly used throughout the country" is not clear enough? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- It's just a bit contradictory when it says "especially in states like Kelantan". But it makes sense now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- [Edit conflict] Also, SHB2000, this is what it says in Kelantan#Understand: "Highways seem to have more signs with quotes from the Koran than actual traffic instructions; many signs are written in Jawi, the old Arabic script for Malay; and even some Chinese women wear head scarves here." That seems to cover it to me. Visitors don't need to read Jawi to get around in Kelantan, but it's definitely part of the local color, more so than in Terengganu, where you also may see some Jawi. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:07, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- I see. Makes sense SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- [Edit conflict] Also, SHB2000, this is what it says in Kelantan#Understand: "Highways seem to have more signs with quotes from the Koran than actual traffic instructions; many signs are written in Jawi, the old Arabic script for Malay; and even some Chinese women wear head scarves here." That seems to cover it to me. Visitors don't need to read Jawi to get around in Kelantan, but it's definitely part of the local color, more so than in Terengganu, where you also may see some Jawi. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:07, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- It's just a bit contradictory when it says "especially in states like Kelantan". But it makes sense now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rumi is used more in every state of Malaysia, but Jawi is used more in Kelantan than in any other state. That was certainly true as of 2003, but I doubt it's changed. The phrase "the Latin alphabet is much more commonly used throughout the country" is not clear enough? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Postal codes for articles about Malaysia?
Is it on the exceptions list? Just did some cleanups on Batu Pahat, but I'm not sure whether it's on the exceptions list. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:13, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- Do you think you would find them more useful or more irrelevant, if you tried to put that location into your favorite online map program? WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I can't remember whether it's on the exceptions list? We don't usually include ZIP/Postal codes in the first place, except for articles about Singapore or Argentina, but can't remember any others. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think that we ever specifically discussed country. We did not discuss every country in the world. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- I think Malta and the Netherlands are also on the exceptions list, and a couple of British dependencies, but apart from that, I can't remember any others, nor can I remember which page has the exceptions list. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:51, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think that we ever specifically discussed country. We did not discuss every country in the world. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- The UK and Germany are also exceptions. Not sure about Malaysia, but I have no memory of it being one.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Where can I find this list? --FredTC (talk) 10:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ThunderingTyphoons!, FredTC: Finally found it on WV:Zip. It seems Malaysia isn't on it, so will remove them soon SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:55, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- That page says that merely not being listed isn't, by itself, a reason to remove the postal codes. See "This does NOT necessarily imply that any current addressing information should be removed but rather that a judgement needs to be made about whether a postal code provides any information useful to travellers or is just needlessly occupying additional space in a listing."
- Even when a postal code is generally unhelpful (e.g., 99% of the US), it might be useful in a few cases. There are individual buildings with their own postal codes in the US, and parts of California have a problem with "1234 City Drive" being the same physical street but miles away from "1234 City Ave", or "1234 City Dr" and "1234 E City Dr" (notice that "W City Dr" doesn't exist), with the postal code being useful insurance against ending up on the wrong end of the street. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ThunderingTyphoons!, FredTC: Finally found it on WV:Zip. It seems Malaysia isn't on it, so will remove them soon SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:55, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
- Where can I find this list? --FredTC (talk) 10:34, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, I can't remember whether it's on the exceptions list? We don't usually include ZIP/Postal codes in the first place, except for articles about Singapore or Argentina, but can't remember any others. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
"Ensure that your passport is stamped"
Is there a problem with Malaysian officials not stamping passports of entering foreign visitors? If there is such a problem, I think we need to be much more blunt about it. And if there is, why? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- There have been lots of stories in the Singaporean media over the years of people whose passports were not stamped when they entered Malaysia, and then having to pay fines of several thousand ringgit before they were allowed to return to Singapore. Here's one story. I can't say for sure that it's deliberate, but even if it was nothing malicious and the immigration officer simply forgot to stamp your passport, you will be considered to have entered illegally, and you will be arrested and made to pay a fine later when you try to leave Malaysia. What do you think? I know this is not true of every country. Once on a trip to South Korea, my brother's passport was not stamped on entry because the immigration officer forgot, and it caused a minor delay at departure immigration when they couldn't find the entry stamp, but once they checked their database and found the record of him entering legally, he was free to go and board the flight back to Singapore. But if that had happened in Malaysia, he might have been arrested and made to pay a fine before they let him leave. The dog2 (talk) 07:21, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
- I noticed this is addressed in "Stay safe", but I think it needs a little more emphasis in "Get in", too. I'll do something. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:29, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Indians are getting visa-free entry to Malaysia
Malaysia is allowing visa free travel to Indians till December 2024. Should we add it in this article? Libreravi (talk) 22:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please plunge forward! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 23:36, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot. Added this info in the article. Libreravi (talk) 08:17, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know how to change colors of the world map in the article showing visa requirements. India and China's color needs to be changed. Can I just edit the svg in my computer and upload? Can we add this map https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_map_of_the_visa_policy_of_Malaysia.png to this article? Libreravi (talk) 08:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- The colours would need to be changed on Commons. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Libreravi: Yes. So edit the SVG and use the "upload new version" link at Commons (below the list of versions). You need to have a not-too-fresh account on Commons to do the upload, but yours seems to be OK. –LPfi (talk) 10:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @LPfi. I have updated the file in my system but I am not able to overwrite the svg file. For now, I added File:World map of the visa policy of Malaysia.png to this wikivoyage page. Libreravi (talk) 10:47, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oops. Commons:Overwriting existing files states in the lead that "autopatrol" rights are needed. I thought your autoconfirmed status would suffice. –LPfi (talk) 09:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- I assume you could ask for that right, at Commons:Requests for rights#Autopatrol. –LPfi (talk) 09:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Normally, admins just award such rights unilaterally if they consider the user in question to have a sufficient track record of trustworthiness. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:59, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- They're usually understanding if you make your intent on c:COM:RFR clear. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I missed that this is about Commons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nah, don't worry – it happens to all of us :-). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:38, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I missed that this is about Commons. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- They're usually understanding if you make your intent on c:COM:RFR clear. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Normally, admins just award such rights unilaterally if they consider the user in question to have a sufficient track record of trustworthiness. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:59, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- I assume you could ask for that right, at Commons:Requests for rights#Autopatrol. –LPfi (talk) 09:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Oops. Commons:Overwriting existing files states in the lead that "autopatrol" rights are needed. I thought your autoconfirmed status would suffice. –LPfi (talk) 09:29, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @LPfi. I have updated the file in my system but I am not able to overwrite the svg file. For now, I added File:World map of the visa policy of Malaysia.png to this wikivoyage page. Libreravi (talk) 10:47, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Libreravi: Yes. So edit the SVG and use the "upload new version" link at Commons (below the list of versions). You need to have a not-too-fresh account on Commons to do the upload, but yours seems to be OK. –LPfi (talk) 10:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- The colours would need to be changed on Commons. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
unboiled tap water
In the "Eat" section, readers are cautioned that you may be served unboiled tap water by hawkers. I always understood tap water in Malaysia to be safe to drink, as opposed to the well water that had to be boiled when I was living in a kampung in the 1970s. A web search produced contradictory results, with some statements that tap water is safe and regularly monitored in Malaysia and others saying that it is safe when it leaves the treatment plant but the water quality often suffers from old pipes, which can contaminate it primarily with rust and other metallic compounds, and therefore should be boiled (which wouldn't seem to address those contaminants) or filtered (which would). I don't see any statement about water quality in the Drink section. Should we make a statement, and if so, what? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, its safety is addressed at the beginning of "Stay healthy":
- Tap water is drinkable straight off the tap, as it is treated, but even locals boil or filter it first just to be on the safe side. When travelling it is best to stick to bottled water, which is very inexpensive.
- Ice in drinks might be made from tap water but nowadays, most restaurants and even roadside stalls use the cylindrical variety with a hollow tube down the middle that are mass-produced at ice factories and are safer to consume.
- So should we give people this warning in "Eat"?
- the only thing you should avoid when you frequent the street or hawker stalls is ice for your drinks, since the blocks of ice used there might not be up to your hygienic standards. In actual restaurants this is not a problem. Also you might want to avoid ordering water from hawker stalls or the mamak restaurants as you will usually be served unboiled tap water.
- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm being overly cautious as a Singaporean, but generally speaking, we would not drink tap water in Malaysia without boiling first. The dog2 (talk) 17:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- So what do you think should be in "Eat" (or "Drink") and "Stay healthy"? We need to at least be consistent within the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say unless we know for sure that water is safe to drink straight from the tap, I would err on the side of caution and advise visitors to boil the tap water before they drink it. The dog2 (talk) 19:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Boil or filter. OK. Then let's make the two sections consistent. I think we might want to say that there are differences of opinion on whether tap water is safe in Malaysia, and that to be safer, you may want to restrict yourself to boiled or filtered water. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me. The dog2 (talk) 19:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Are you satisfied with these edits? If not, please edit further. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:31, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me. The dog2 (talk) 19:15, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Boil or filter. OK. Then let's make the two sections consistent. I think we might want to say that there are differences of opinion on whether tap water is safe in Malaysia, and that to be safer, you may want to restrict yourself to boiled or filtered water. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd say unless we know for sure that water is safe to drink straight from the tap, I would err on the side of caution and advise visitors to boil the tap water before they drink it. The dog2 (talk) 19:10, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- So what do you think should be in "Eat" (or "Drink") and "Stay healthy"? We need to at least be consistent within the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:44, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm being overly cautious as a Singaporean, but generally speaking, we would not drink tap water in Malaysia without boiling first. The dog2 (talk) 17:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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