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• Emma Noether (1882 – 1935) was a German mathematician who made important contributions to abstract algebra.
  • The article says "(23 March 1882 – 14 April 1935)". Why did you add only the year of birth and death? Why not just add the exact date of birth and exact date of death as mentioned in the article? Migfab008 (talk) 00:28, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

     Not done. The TFA blurb is a condensed summary of the article, written to be concise and succinct for the small space available on the main page. As such it does not need to include her precise birth and death dates, they add nothing in understanding who she was and the years are perfectly sufficient. The only usual excepsion to this is if it's a date-specific entry on the anniversary of the subject's birth or death. Under those circumstances we'd usually include the exact dates.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:55, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• "Born to a Jewish family in Erlangen; her work in Germany, principally at Göttingen University came at a time when women were largely excluded from academia there." -- Grammatically, the semicolon should be a comma, because the first clause is not an independent sentence.

Emmy Noether (1882 – 1935) > Emmy Noether (1882–1935) MOS:ENDASH, Spicemix (talk) 09:15, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

True. It is also missing a comma after Göttingen University. The sentence should be written as: Born to a Jewish family in Erlangen, her work in Germany, principally at Göttingen University, came at a time when women were largely excluded from academia there. TurboSuperA+_(connect) 09:45, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed both. Courtesy ping to @TFA coordinators , hopefully again this is uncontroversial.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:55, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the United States, state representative Melissa Hortman is assassinated, and state senator John Hoffman is injured in Minnesota. The placement of the comma before "and" seems to suggest that only Hoffman's attack occurred in Minnesota, while Hortman's occurred in an unspecified location (i.e., it could be read as "In the United States, state representative Melissa Hortman is assassinated. State senator John Hoffman is injured in Minnesota."), when both attacks occurred in Minnesota. I don't think the comma is needed. — Anonymous 16:34, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it permitted to put "In Minnesota, United States, state..."? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Howabout "In the U.S. state of Minnesota..."? Moscow Mule (talk) 16:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For now I've changed it to this:

In the United States, Minnesota state representative Melissa Hortman is assassinated and state senator John Hoffman is injured by a suspected gunman.

but discussion can continue to keep optimizing. - Fuzheado | Talk 17:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"suspected gunman"? It's known that there was a gunman. There's got to be a better way to phrase this. Perhaps, "with the shooter still at large" or "with the alleged shooter still at large"? Abductive (reasoning) 18:42, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that wholly addresses the issue, as Minnesota is still grammatically associated only with Hortman. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the United States, Minnesota state representative Melissa Hortman (pictured) is assassinated and state senator John Hoffman is injured by the same suspect.

The inclusion of by the same suspect at the end would seem to require an "allegedly" somewhere. But we know the shootings happened, and is the main focus, so should the "suspect" portion just be removed?—Bagumba (talk) 01:05, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

'Perpetrator'? You cannot say categorically that something was done by a 'suspect'. This has become common, but it is not what 'suspect' means. Srnec (talk) 01:23, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing we can state in wikivoice is who was shot and who died. The other stuff is unproven and cannot be on the mainpage. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The use of the word 'suspect' in this context is a clear and unambiguous violation of WP:BLP policy. There is, as of now, only one individual named in sources (and in our articles) as a suspect. The presumption of innocence is core to WP:BLP. Suspects are suspected, until convicted. We don't get to say they did it until then. Not ever. Never. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:42, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(1) "Suspect" does not imply guilt! But that's why it makes no sense here. The current wording says that the suspect did it! (2) "by the same perpetrator" would not accuse any named or identifiable individual. Saying that the same person shot them both does not mean that the named suspect is that person. Srnec (talk) 03:33, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it definitive that it's the same perpetrator, or just suspected? —Bagumba (talk) 06:17, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "by the same suspect". Appears too kludgy to make its inclusion right. —Bagumba (talk) 04:00, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So this could have happened anywhere in the US? There will be no defining locality? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:09, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's not a great hook as it stands. I would probably go with "In the US state of Minnesota, state representative...", that way the location and the state which she represented is rolled into one, albeit at the cost of duplicating the word state. Also, the last part of the hook is kind of incomplete now. "State senator John Hoffman is injured" does not include any clue as to the fact that he was attacked, it sounds rather mundane as phrased, like he just fell over and broke his arm or something.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:43, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I could live with "In the US state of Minnesota" with state repeating, as otherwise one could argue what state is Hoffman from. —Bagumba (talk) 12:10, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This would seem to address the concern raised by the OP. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to "In the US state of Minnesota ..." Hasn't been opposition since suggested yesterday. —Bagumba (talk) 12:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the last part of the hook is kind of incomplete now It's not from the most recent change though. The blurb seems to have never mentioned guns or the nature of the injuries. Seems like the wording has been a struggle from the start. People are welcome to suggest specific wordings. —Bagumba (talk) 12:14, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• that "The Interstellar Song Contest" featured the return of a Doctor Who character last seen more than 40 years earlier?

  "Dimensions in Time" was in 1993. jnestorius^(talk) 09:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  It seems from the article and source that the intention was to reference her last "canonical" appearance (if Doctor Who can even be said to have an established canon), but clearly that nuance was not included in the hook. I've added the detail of her appearance in 1993 to the article and amended the hook to say 30 instead of 40. I guess this is still a reasonable length of time so probably still meets WP:DYKINT, but either way the actual error is hopefully resolved by this.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Eileen Niedfield, one of the first five women in her medical school's pathology program, graduated with the highest score in the United States? I think two thins are mixed up here. She graduated after 4 years, and in a test during her second year (sophomore year), she got the highest scores in the US.[1] The source doesn't seem to say that when she graduated after 4 years, she received the highest scores in the US though. She also wasn't "one of the first five women in the pathology program", she was one of the first five to graduate as Doctor of Medicine: the high scores after two years were in a specific pathology test. Pull and back to the drawing board with this one may be best, as there is too much wrong for a quick fix IMO. Fram (talk) 09:39, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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