Hello, SHB2000! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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Also I have blocked ThePikerWorm. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask! Gizza ^(roam) 03:59, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much for your kind message and blocking User:ThePikerWorm. I'll try and create as many Australian Articles as possible. SHB2000 (talk) 04:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@DaGizza: How do I add a map to Grand Pacific Drive? Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 04:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Welcome, and thank you for your contributions. I've cropped the banner for Golden Highway. It is actually quite easy to use the Crop Tool, so you might want to try it yourself. You copy the filename of your picture from the commons, set the ratio to 7:1, then re-size the box to select the part of the picture you want to use. A new filename is created, which you can copy before hitting the Upload button. Best regards, Ground Zero (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for starting the Australian Tourist Drive articles. Are you planning to expand these articles? The Grand Pacific Drive article is pretty good, but the other articles don't really provide very much information for travellers. For example, they don't explain why you'd want to drive those routes. They also don't identify what there is to see along the way. I'm not not sure what these articles really do for the reader. I am hoping to see more, as I plan to do a driving trip in Australia in the coming years, and these articles, if they are expanded could be very useful to me. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 03:03, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes I am, when I get a little more time. Hope you have a good time here. SHB2000 (talk) 03:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ground Zero: Just did a run through of Tourist Drive 33, so it's probably the next one going to be written. SHB2000 (talk) 00:44, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello. Having looked at your articles, I would recommend filling out the ones you've already started before starting any more. Even the Grand Pacific Drive article doesn't have the route description, which is the most important part of an itinerary. Just look at it this way - the more time you spend on creating new stubs, the less time you've got to improve the articles you've already created. All the best, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:09, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks TravelAroundOz. I've added a map to Grand Pacific Drive. If you've added the wikidata links to destinations in your article, the map is generated automatically when you put this in the article: {{mapframe|zoom=8}}

You can zoom in with a bigger number or zoom out with a smaller number. Keep up the good work. Ground Zero (talk) 13:05, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ground Zero: Hey Ground Zero, would Tourist Drive 33 still be a stub now? SHB2000 (talk) 08:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@DaGizza, Ground Zero:Yep, thanks. Off topic, but I've just created a template called {{Uw-vandalism2}} similar to the one on en wiki. Make for people like User:ThePikerWorm (no it's for vandals not just him). Does it need approval?

If I may: I recommend not using it. Wikivoyage policy is deny recognition. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:41, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see. Definitely, not like en.wiki or commons SHB2000 (talk) 10:48, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Nope. Although "deny recognition" is a Wikipedia guideline, too, it's not at all universally observed there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

TAO: With fewer active editors and fewer administrators, the Wikivoyage community has found it necessary to take much faster action with vandals. The Wikipedia approach of being gentle and encouraging them to become constructive editors doesn't work here: we usually move very quickly to shut them down. We have had to deal with several very persistent vandals who are clever at exploiting the system, so we block very quickly, and hide their vandalism from view to discourage them. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 12:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see. Definitely different from en wiki. SHB2000 (talk) 06:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

[Outdent] Further on templates: Before you make loads and loads of templates, please read Wikivoyage:Using MediaWiki templates#New MediaWiki template proposals:

Before a new MediaWiki template is put into general use it needs to be discussed and accepted as good or preferably best practice. Until such acceptance, new templates will be tagged {{experimental}}, and should not be added to more than one low-visibility article—so not Paris. (If other editors object to that addition, though, expect it to be removed until a consensus is reached.) If new templates fail to gain community support, they will eventually be deleted.[etc.]

And what are you doing, redirecting your user talk page? I've never seen this done before, and it strikes me as hostile to all other users and smacks of vandalism to me. I would urge you to put this back into your standard user talk page. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hey TAO, I restored my edits on this article. Wikivoyage, like other travel guides, tries to use a consistent style for formatting times and dates, phone numbers, prices, and do on. It makes it easier for the reader to find information quickly. Using a variety of styles, as the article did before I cleaned it up, makes it looks sloppy and unreliable. Wv:tdf sets out one style for countries that use the 24-hour clock (e.g., 09:00-17:00), and one style for countries that use the 12-hour clock (e.g., 9AM-5PM). A destination article should never use both formats, as this one did — it's more confusing for the reader. The talk page for each country article identifies the style we use for that country's articles in a box at the top of the page.

If you disagree with Wikivoyage style, or with the style selected for any country, you can propose changes on the appropriate talk page.

Also, the edits you undid included a bunch of capitalisation, grammar, punctuation and formatting corrections. I have restored the lot of them. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 01:59, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Whoops, sorry about that. But which page do I go to? SHB2000 (talk) 02:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

As well as that, would Tourist Drive 33 still be a stub now or an outline. SHB2000 (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

You restored a mix of formatting styles, so I'm not really clear what it is you are trying to do. If you disagree with Wikivoyage time formatting, raise it at Wikivoyage talk:Time and date formats. If you think we should use the 24-hour format in Aus articles, raise it at Talk:Australia. Ground Zero (talk) 03:05, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I'm saying we should use 24hr time in Aussie articles. But would TD33 be a stub now? SHB2000 (talk) 03:07, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

I have upgraded Torist Drive 33 to "outline". I think it would be "usable" if each of the places under "Drive" had a short description. Ground Zero (talk) 03:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Cheers mate, I'll do it in the next 3 days. SHB2000 (talk) 03:11, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ground Zero: All of the places under "drive" now have a description and as such, would it now be usable. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi again.

Thanks for your efforts with sending welcome messages, but would you mind leaving that to other users until you get more experience editing? Part of the purpose of such messages is for the new user to have someone to contact if they need any help but don't know how to use or aren't aware other resources like article talk pages, the Pub, Arrivals lounge etc. In this event, it's best for the person who helps them to have at least a few months' experience, otherwise it's likely they won't know the best way to help. There's also no point welcoming users with no editing history on Wikivoyage; we normally wait until either a person has made several edits or until one of their edits requires discussion. You can see a user's contributions by looking in the left sidebar on their user page, or else by searching Special/Contribution:username.

Finally, remember that whenever you post on a talk page, it's important to sign your post by typing four tildes in a row like this: ~~~~. You'd think after 20 years, the Wikimedia Foundation would have devised a way for talk page posts to sign automatically on desktop mode, but unfortunately they haven't.

Any questions, don't hesitate to ask. The tourist drives are coming together nicely.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure mate SHB2000 (talk) 11:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Also hard to believe 20 years. SHB2000 (talk) 11:28, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Ikr. I don't think I was aware of Wikipedia till about 2006.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Also, I'm a bit confused on what to name Alternate Tourist Drive 24. Should I put "(Queensland)" in brackets or not? Not many people will know where it is, unlike 33.

If there's another road called Alternate Tourist Drive 24 somewhere else in the world, then yes add "(Queensland)". But if not, it doesn't matter how obscure the route is, it doesn't need disambiguating.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

The thing is, I don't know. Tourist Drives are so poorly maintained in all states except NSW, QLD and WA. One thing for sure is that all WA tourist drives are covered on enwiki. Nothing about NSW or QLD. I also don't know about anything in Victoria as it's so poorly maintained that even the signs lead to nowhere there. SHB2000 (talk) 12:05, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Fair enough. In that case, maybe just assume there isn't another one, as it's quite a specific name. If in the future someone wants to create an article for another unknown "Alternate Tourist Drive 24", a disambiguation can be created then.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Why are you archiving a 7-day-old post in Talk:Sydney? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:38, 14 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Well Ikan, it isn't a post to question but to just tell you guys about the change. [[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] (talk) 07:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Didn't I reply to this? 7 days is way too short to even expect people to see a post. I urge you to wait at least 2-3 months before archiving anything. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the Aussie barn compass. Australia is high on my list of places to visit when the world gets back to normal. If you haven't seen this already, I think it would be useful for you: Wikivoyage:Itinerary status shows the criteria for upgrading itinerary articles from stub to outline to usable to guide. Happy editing. Ground Zero (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks mate. I'll just have to wait till we get the Traveloca thing sorted out. SHB2000 (talk)02:50, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ground Zero: Additionally, are there too much images on Tourist Drive 33 or is it just fine. SHB2000 (talk) 04:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wikivoyage:Image policy says:

"Short articles (less than 3,000 bytes) should usually have no more than 1–2 images, including a map. For longer articles, 1 image per screen (1,000–2,000 bytes) is generally adequate."

You're easily within that guideline. I think it looks fine. Ground Zero (talk) 13:03, 16 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ground Zero: I guess I can have 18ish images since the article is 18k+ bytes. Cheers though, SHB2000 (talk) 11:27, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'd read that as 9-18, but 18 sounds like a lot of images. I don't think that would get advisable. We don't want our articles to burn through readers' mobile data. Ground Zero (talk) 12:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't think I even have 12 images. SHB2000 (talk) 20:18, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

There are 9 including the banner 82.3.185.12 08:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Might add a tenth one. SHB2000 (talk) - 10:02, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Note: This section has my old username for those that are curious. It has been deliberately been left, as the topic is about the username.

Hey, TravelAroundOz (or SHB2000 now). Was just checking w:WP:PERM over at Wikipedia and a little surprised to see you there instead of here. I just noticed the name change -- any particular reason? Just friendly curiosity, hope you're doing well and it wasn't about anything bad. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 07:54, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

So it doesn't get confused with this person, in this case who I amn't. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

And now I edit both WP and WV. SHB2000 (talk) 08:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Are you ever planning to change your name back? 82.3.185.12 09:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Nope. SHB2000 (talk) 09:06, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I pinged you to this page, however since you changed your name literally less than an hour ago, I don't know if the ping reached you. 82.3.185.12 08:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I did receive the ping but I was editing Tourist Drive 30 at the time SHB2000 (talk) 08:45, 13 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, SHB2000. It looks like I created a problem, since I didn't wait long enough to hear from you about whether you were going to create more Tourist Drive 1 articles and moved the one in Central New South Wales to just Tourist Drive 1. There are a bunch of roads with the same name in different Australian states, then? It looks like I need to revert that name change and just spell out New South Wales because we don't use abbreviations for states on this site as a matter of style and because we don't expect people from outside a given country to know such abbreviations. Sorry about that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see you fixed the problem. Thanks, and sorry again for ignorantly changing the name. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:51, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Though thanks for alerting me about the name issue. By the way, there are 5 Tourist Drive 1's I know of, with three in New South Wales SHB2000 (talk) 06:53, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I guess that's somewhat similar to how we could have the same numbering for an interstate highway, a federal road, a state road and a county road in any given U.S. state. We don't have roads specifically called tourist roads, though, as far as I know. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

No, that's an Aussie thing. Infact, Australia still has 8 different numbering systems similar to the US system

i.e.

• National Highway
• National Route
• State Route
• Metroads (even though there are only two remaining)
• Alphanumeric (similar to Europe)
• National Highway Alphanumeric
• Tourist Drive/Ways
• Detour route (note that whoever edited w:Highways in Australia must've assumed its an alphanumeric even though it really isn't.

But surely there'd be strategic tourist routes in the US (unsigned, just information maps) SHB2000 (talk) 09:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

There are scenic routes, though they're usually numbered like any other and just marked with extra dotted lines on paper maps, for anyone who still uses those. I can think of one private road that has beautiful scenery and charges a toll, though. It's called the 17-Mile Drive and it's in Carmel, California. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Why charge a toll on a scenic road??? SHB2000 (talk) 10:10, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Because they can. :-) But I mentioned it because that's exceptional. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Man, I should stop complaining about the toll in Toowoomba, a regional city. This is just a road while that's a motorway ;) SHB2000 (talk) 20:12, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

	The Wikivoyage Barncompass
	For your general contributions to Wikivoyage, and specifically for your work on Australia articles. We're glad you're here, mate. Ground Zero (talk) 12:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Cheers mate, and yes I am hoping to create an article for every major tourist drive in Australia. Just passed my 1000th edit :) SHB2000 (talk) 20:13, 18 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Dropping in a word on your talk page, because you definitely have a lot more experience with the road articles than me. Do you think there's any solid potential for an article on overland travel (possibly including the bus and train routes as well as driving) between Adelaide-Melbourne, and would you be interested in helping out on one? I know it's a bit outside your usual geographic remit, but it's a trip I make regularly and I've been floating the idea of writing on it. Some of the closer-together capital cities, especially for ones outside the southeast bubble, so in my experience road trips and train/bus travel is fairly common. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 05:39, 19 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure.

On a side note I'm actually terrible with roads, and my knowledge to contributing is past experience on those roads on those guides or travel guides/brochures. But Yes, we could make Adelaide-Melbourne by car. SHB2000 (talk) 05:44, 19 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Also a reason why I rarely edit WA/NT/Tas related itinerary articles SHB2000 (talk) 05:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Vaticidalprophet: also note I'm happy to edit outside of NSW like with Strzelecki Track. SHB2000 (talk) 11:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't think we should include that scolding tone in any warnings. IMO, let's just give readers information and trust that they won't be idiots, or that if they are, scolding all readers will if anything produce the opposite effect in them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:50, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure, will fix it up. SHB2000 (talk) 05:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks a lot. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

G'day SHB, thankfully we haven't been hit that hard. But I appreciate you asking. There have been a few small leaks of water that have gotten inside the home and the back and frontyards are drenched. Hope you are staying safe and dry. What a crazy time the last couple of years have been. First the bushfires/drought, then Covid and now the floods (and of course Covid still isn't over yet). Gizza ^(roam) 07:03, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oy! I didn't realize you were in Australia. I wish you the best. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Agree. First the strawberries, then the drought, then bushfires, then COVID now floods. SHB2000 (talk) 07:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I was fortunate enough to get this, this and this SHB2000 (talk) 07:21, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek:, Yes, DaGizza is the only other editor I know who lives in Sydney. SHB2000 (talk) 08:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

16:53, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

	The Aussie Wikivoyage Barncompass
	Thanks for your great work on improving Australian travel pages, especially driving articles. Hope Tourist Drive 33 gets star status soon! --LivelyRatification (talk) 02:58, 23 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks so much. I wish the same for Stratford (Victoria) as well. SHB2000 (talk) 05:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Outlines have a template, regardless of whether they have content. Stubs don't have a template. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I'll take that for next time as I was unaware of that. It's rather weird how it works as generally outlines are meant to give more information to the reader but it's weird when it comes to Great Alpine Road (incomplete) and these useless articles written by User:EnglishEP (translated) haven't even been modified. Anyway, have a good day and stay safe. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 08:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

You too. How's the flooding now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

All gone, was a 32˚ day yesterday. SHB2000 (talk) 20:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

17:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

These are socks of the Telstra guy at least 80% of the time, so best not to waste time posting to their user talk pages. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

That Brendon John Williams guy? Out of curiosity, how'd you find out his real name? SHB2000 (talk) 10:28, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wait never mind, his original usernane was it. SHB2000 (talk) 10:31, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek:, would Slimmil689 be one? SHB2000 (talk) 10:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yep. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see it's a vandalism only account. SHB2000 (talk) 03:32, 1 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

You reverted my edit to Innamincka with the edit comment "exception. see the pub for discussion". I don't see it over there. Please explain. --FredTC (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

See SHB2000 (talk) 05:29, 4 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Again, thanks for participating in this. However, Rodolfo2083‎‎ has no contributions, and that username suggests a likelihood of possibly being another sockpuppet of the Telstra guy. I'd suggest waiting a least a couple of posts before welcoming anyone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sorry for the late response, I've been out since Tuesday and now have my space key fixed. Thought the telstra guy's sock's are only 2-3 digits. Though I suppose he'd slowly start to change his editing habits/usernames. SHB2000 (talk) 09:53, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

But in any case, there's generally no point in welcoming someone who hasn't even made a single edit. The only time I do that is when their username suggests they are tour agency owners or something, and even then, preemptive advice not to tout or violate other Wikivoyage guidelines is almost never successful. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi there. Wikivoyage:Naming_conventions#Disambiguation states that "one place is so much more famous than others with the same name" shouldn't be disambiguated. I would say this is probably the case with Vaucluse (France), especially since Vaucluse (New South Wales) doesn't even have an article, and possibly never will, given that it's covered by Sydney/Eastern Suburbs. I'd therefore like to revert your page move.

If there's a chance that the Vaucluse in NSW will get an article one day, or if you're planning to make one, then the disambig page can be transferred to Vaucluse (disambiguation). What do you think? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Sure. Vaucluse (New South Wales) is unlikely to get its own page for the next four years. Feel free to revert the move. SHB2000 (talk) 12:43, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@ThunderingTyphoons!:, somethings preventing me from moving Vaucluse (France) to Vaucluse. SHB2000 (talk) 12:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

No worries, I've done it. The Vaucluse page needed to be deleted in order to overwrite it.

Is there some significance to "the next four years" with regard to Vaucluse, NSW?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

The Eastern Suburbs will probably be too big for its own article and need to be broken down into smaller sections. La Perouse (can NSW have more french names) is sort of an exception as you can't fit all of what's there into the Eastern Suburbs article. SHB2000 (talk) 12:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Looking at a Greater Sydney rail map (yes, I collect train maps of places I'll probably never visit, don't judge me), I'm always struck by the number of place names borrowed seemingly at random from unremarkable towns in and around London - Bexley, Stanmore, Croydon, Lewisham, Richmond... - and wonder how they stack up against the originals.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:26, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Agree, it's only the last 20 years where names have been changing to indigenous names. Some hard to pronounce ones as well like Oodnadatta, Kununurra, Wooloomooloo, Kiwirakurra. There's also a bunch of other UK names in NSW like Liverpool, Cardiff (yes, when someone says cardiff, i think of cardiff, nsw and not cardiff, wales), Gloucester, Forster, Goulburn, Griffith, Camden (the origin of our Griffith is from Burley Griffin and not from the UK Griffith), Bathurst, Windsor and to say, there's a lot more than what I've mentioned. SHB2000 (talk) 21:45, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

19:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek, Mx. Granger, 82.3.185.12, Vaticidalprophet, ThunderingTyphoons!, Ground Zero, LPfi: - Re. the pub and the dates, The tech update that I received a week ago. SHB2000 (talk) 23:17, 10 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

That’s not what I meant. What I meant was whenever I update a template, it replaces subst:#time:Y-m-d with 2021-04-11 or whatever the date is. 82.3.185.12 16:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

	The Aussie Wikivoyage Barncompass
	This Barncompass is to show appreciation for your great work on Aussie articles on Wikivoyage. --82.3.185.12 11:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

You gave me one so I thought I’d return the favour. :) 82.3.185.12 11:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks at lot. Really appreciate this. My third barncompass. SHB2000 (talk) 11:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

You’re welcome! Enjoy the rest of your day! 82.3.185.12 11:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I better go and sleep soon. It's currently 21.53 here. SHB2000 (talk) 11:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Oh, ok. Goodnight then! 82.3.185.12 11:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

And good afternoon to you. Been waiting 3 mins to post this :) SHB2000 (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Until I realised just now that daylight savings has begun. SHB2000 (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, it’s 13:05 now. 82.3.185.12 12:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Our clocks have just gone back an hour now :) SHB2000 (talk) 12:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I thought you were going to bed now. 82.3.185.12 13:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm a person who doesn't go to bed til 2300h. SHB2000 (talk) 00:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see. 82.3.185.12 07:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

or even 2330h. SHB2000 (talk) 07:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

You forgot to change the date. I changed it for you. 82.3.185.12 13:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, I’m not used to editing on mobile so it’s easy to forget. Take care SHB2000 (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! 82.3.185.12 07:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Swept in from the pub

Hi everyone,

This might seem very odd but am I allowed to have two maps in Innamincka. One's for the 1.5km long town centre and the other is for the vast Innamincka. The problem is, they're either too close to each other or too far. Solution: A controversial request for two maps.

Is it okay?

Thanks, SHB2000 (talk) 04:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Since these are dynamic maps, that's probably not necessary. You can pick a kind of compromise zoom level and let readers click the map to zoom in or out for more location info. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

@SHB2000, have you considered a rectangular map? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

WhatamIdoing, how do you do that? SHB2000 (talk) 05:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Like this, if you want the default/auto-zoom approach. Since you have one marker in a different town, you may want to put a location and/or zoom level back in. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I feel like in this case a "compromise" in zoom level would leave both purposes unsatisfied. I use two maps where necessary; see, for example, Niagara Falls (New York). Powers ^(talk) 02:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I would probably add the latitude, longitude and zoom parameters for the mapframe to center map and zoom in on the main area. You can use the width and height parameters to make the dynamic map into a rectangle if so desired. Two maps are probably acceptable but I think one map would suffice. Best wishes! -- Matroc (talk) 05:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks guys, I've decided to remove the second map and incorporate both Ikan Kekek's and WhatamIdoing's ideas. Considering that for it to be a proper guide, it'll need 4 maps. (Town centre, greater Innamincka, Birdsville and Moomba) SHB2000 (talk) 09:09, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

I agree with your edit here, but only because the hotel has its own website. If a business has no website but has its own Facebook page, we link it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:38, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Ikan Kekek: I've done that before. Can't remember which article though. By the way, done wikivoyage have it's own insta page? SHB2000 (talk) 05:46, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I doubt it. Commons is the Wiki with the photos, but I'm guessing there's no Wiki with an Instagram page. I could be wrong, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Checking it, there's only bn and ru pages. Plus wikitravel. SHB2000 (talk) 06:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Making a policy change without discussion and implementing it across a bunch of articles is always a bad idea. I'm sure that you believe you're right — and you very well may be right — but the approach you've taken does kind of say to everyone else that any views they may have on the subject are irrelevant, which leaves a bad taste.

I know you mean well, and you are a very constructive contributor. That is why I am addressing this to you on your talk page. Ground Zero (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

When using text from Wikipedia, I've been following the advice at Wikivoyage:Cooperating with Wikipedia, I.d.,

"When copying text from Wikipedia (or any other CC-SA site) you must provide attribution to the original authors. Attribution is generally provided by pasting the URL for the source article version (see below) into the "edit summary" box, and/or you can use the Wikipedia template."

I've been pasting the URL into the edit summary box. The way I read the passage above, this is sufficient. Also using the Wikipedia template is fine to do, but I don't think it is necessary under the policy. Do you disagree? Ground Zero (talk) 01:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Just incase. I mean, there's no harm in not doing it but I'll do it otherwise what's the purpose of the template. SHB2000 (talk) 05:09, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

What do you mean by "'I would expect admins, at least, to monitor this page.' - But no, only a non admin is monitoring this page"? The page is on the list of pages admins are explicitly asked to monitor, and several admins have commented on the thread above your comment. I haven't commented in the thread as I have little to say for the moment. (Except that: You can disable e-mail from named users, if that's any help.) –LPfi (talk) 06:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Very sorry about ignoring the rest of all the admins. As User:Ikan Kekek said, it's frustrating being constantly attacked. Btw, thanks for the suggestion. I only haven't disabled it incase if User:82.3.185.12 chooses to create an account one day. SHB2000 (talk) 06:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I think there is a value in being able to send and receive e-mail. The preferences item I suggested allows disabling e-mail from a certain user (or a list of users). It does not help against somebody creating new accounts all the time, and non-logged in users cannot send wikimail anyhow. –LPfi (talk) 05:50, 17 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Additionally, I'm not going to disable it because for the 98% of good faith users, I'm not going to ruin it for them because of the 2% minority that ruins and destroys Wikimedia Projects. By disabling it, I'm just letting the vandal/harasser win. SHB2000 (talk) 12:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I think your edit summary here was a bit careless, as you shouldn't want everybody watching latest changes reading that. No problem this time, and I see you changed it for the next test. –LPfi (talk) 08:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I didn't want someone to think that it was someone impersonating me. SHB2000 (talk) 08:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

OK, but telling what you were testing, when what is in there is a secret, is problematic. –LPfi (talk) 08:31, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Okay. But why is it a secret? SHB2000 (talk) 08:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

If it weren't, they wouldn't be hidden for non-admins. They are never perfect, and if you know what they catch, they are easier to evade. –LPfi (talk) 08:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

I see. And re reading this, I don't know how I'd've reacted when I saw this in RC. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 08:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

And out of curiosity, do you know what 41.44.242.207 had wrote on my talk page? SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 09:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

This was also careless and not very kind. Please remember that everyone deserves respect. If everything Antandrus claimed is true, then through no fault of their own mental illness has completely ruined that person's life and has also caused them to inflict a lot of pain on other people.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yes. That was the prime concern of a friend of mine when I told about the situation. She was worried that he doesn't get the support he would need from the local society – which probably is true, but something we cannot do much about. There are things we have to do here for our readers and to protect ourselves, but let's try not to make it any worse than needed.

SHB2000: I can read what he wrote, at least one message. I suppose you got more or less the same message by e-mail.

–LPfi (talk) 18:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Well, in his emails, he said he doesn't have mental health issues, (email me for a copy of that email) and the revision got deleted so I can't access it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs) 22:07, 18 April 2021 (UTC)