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Indian, or South Asian cuisine is a huge topic! This is a Subcontinent we're talking about, and the variety of different regional cuisines is tremendous! But in order to avoid encyclopedic detail and keep a travel focus, it's essential for us to focus on particular places that are associated with particular cuisines or special(i)ties. For example, Mysore rava masala dosas from Mysore; the various aspects of Madrasi cuisine; Awadhi cuisine, such as in Lucknow, which is associated with the Mughal Empire; Gujarati vegetarian cuisine, which also often avoids other items eschewed by orthodox Brahmins, I think (I'd have to review this); the dumpakht dishes of the Parsees, who are mostly in Mumbai and Gujarat.
Also, look at India#Eat, Bangladesh#Eat, and even more so, Pakistan#Eat, which is quite a good section. Also look at "Eat" sections of articles for states of India, Pakistan, etc.; for example, Kerala#Eat is informative.
Latest comment: 4 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
In the ingredient listing for "Spices", should we mention commonly used spices and also specify those that are used with particular frequency and typicality in particular areas? For example, mustard seeds are used in many Indian cuisines but Bengali cuisine particularly emphasizes them. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
I'm no expert on this, but in Singapore, cloves, cumin and turmeric are fairly common when you eat Indian food. If you're knowledgeable, feel free to cover some of the differences between South Asia and the Middle East. The dog2 (talk) 04:52, 2 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
I wouldn't cover spices as different from Middle Eastern food but in terms of being used in the Subcontinent, but my knowledge of regional cuisines is hardly expert, and there are some I don't know at all (I've never been to a Chhatisgari restaurant nor to Chhatisgar, for example). Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:23, 2 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
"Chapati is a form of roti or rotta (bread). The words are often used interchangeably."
However, in Malaysia, they are not the same, as for example, roti canai is distinguished from capati, although they can be served with the same sauce. And indeed further down in the same Wikipedia article, we read this:
"In most parts of the Indian subcontinent, there is a distinction made between a chapati and other related flatbreads eaten in the region like roti, paratha, kulcha, puri and naan based on cooking technique, texture and use of different types of flours. For example, parathas are either made layered by spreading with ghee, folding and rolling out again into a disc which turns out flakey once cooked or is filled with spinach, dal or cooked radish or potato. Parathas are mostly made using all-purpose flour instead of whole wheat flour."
Here's a video from Singapore describing the difference between different types of Indian flatbrads: . As you can see, chapati is a very specific type of flatbread. The dog2 (talk) 20:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
The description here refers to chapati. In Northern India, Pakistan and parts of Nepal, they are often interchangeable in the sense that chapatis are regularly called rotis because they are the most common type of roti. In other contexts, they are not interchangeable, especially when roti is used as the generic word for flatbread or bread. Technically naans, parathas and everything else is a roti. Sandwiches (using Western sliced bread) are called "double roti" in India. Also specific rotis like the rumali roti is never called the rumali chapati. In the diaspora countries, roti has evolved to mean different specific flatbreads and in each regions (Caribbean, Malaysia/Singapore, Mauritius, Fiji, etc.) it has branched into different forms. But this is the situation in the motherland countries. Roti is also the generic word for food in the regions where it is a staple, similar to how rice is interchangeable for food in Thailand. The Hindi phrase "Roti, kapda aur makaan" literally means "Bread, clothes and houses" but more generally means "Food, clothing and shelter" and refers to the basic economic necessities of life. Gizza (roam)23:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Saying that chapati is the most common type of roti in a region is not the same as saying that it is identical to roti, period, or that roti is universally "also known as chapati". Roti generically means "bread" in Malay, too, but in specific contexts, roti is distinguished from capati, paratta and so on. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:03, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Yes I agree they are not identical in all contexts and so to say that roti is also known as chapati is not accurate. But the second bullet point in the bread section is describing what a chapati is, not what a roti is which is broader. The images here both show chapatis though one of the file names calls it roti. . Rather than say one is also known as the other, I suggest renaming the bullet point to chapati, split the variations makki di roti to another bullet point because it is not, strictly speaking, a chapati and clarify that many people would in their day-to-day conversations also refer to chapatis as rotis, though roti encompasses much more than just the chapati. Gizza (roam)07:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, that sounds good to me too. I don't know what is the word in Tamil, but in Singapore, roti is also the generic word for bread in Malay, and has in fact been borrowed into the varieties of Chinese dialects spoken in Singapore. The dog2 (talk) 15:42, 2 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
@DaGizza: Do you think we should explain the differences between North India paratha and South Indian parotta. From what I see, the dough is usually rolled to make it thin, then folded with ghee between the layers in North India, but is made thin by flipping it in the air in South India (or at least, in Tamil Nadu). Roti prata in Singapore basically uses the same flipping technique that they use to make parotta in Tamil Nadu. The dog2 (talk) 17:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)Reply
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India has long traditions of vegetarianism and emphasizing purity, making it a reputable place for finding uncertified kosher food (outside the obvious Israel). There, the safest bet for a kosher observer is to stick to the ubiquitous purely vegetarian restaurants serving no meat, since those nearly always avoid cross-contamination with nonkosher foodstuff, even in their utensils and equipment (and even then, finding certified kosher food is difficult in India). Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Nepal consume significantly more meat than India, and with the exception of Nepal, Hindus do not make up the majority everywhere. I would recommend adding:
India has long traditions of vegetarianism and ritual purity, and purely vegetarian restaurants are ubiquitous, serve no meat, and ensure purity of their equipment, so kosher travelers should have a relatively easy time finding food suitable for them in India depending on their level of observance. Be aware that religious purity rarely actually aspires to kashrut, and finding certified establishments is still difficult in India. However, finding kosher food is very difficult in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Nepal, so you may want to stock up in India before entering.
I quibble with the phrasing a bit. The point is that vegetarian food lacks any specifically treyf ingredients, and the dishware and cutlery, if bought for the establishment, likely have never been touched by meat (or you could say that is guaranteed if you feel 100% certain of it). Therefore, kosher-observant people who don't follow the letter of traditional halacha that requires certification by a rabbi may feel fine about eating it. However, "uncertified kosher" is an oxymoron to anyone who observes the laws of kashrut as laid down in the Tanakh, Talmud and other commentaries. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:54, 11 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
What makes you question my phrasing? I clearly emphasized words relating to certification, and I clearly included "depending on their level of observance." Faster than Thunder (talk) 21:13, 11 July 2025 (UTC)Reply
Since this is somehow hard for you to understand although we've been through this before: Because if it's not certified, it's not kosher, period (unless you're talking about fresh raw fruits or vegetables without bug infestations eaten on kosher or disposable dishes, which don't have to be certified). People can and do disagree about the details of kashrut on the margins, but it's essentially binary: it's either kosher or it's not, and then if it's not, people can make up their minds on whether they're willing to make any compromises, and if so, which ones. What makes you continue to ignore and disrespect basic concepts of belief systems you don't know much about? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:58, 12 July 2025 (UTC)Reply