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Votes for Deletion

This page lists articles, files and templates that are nominated for deletion. Any Wikivoyager can make a nomination or comment on any nomination. Nominations or comments should follow a rationale based on our current policy.

If our deletion policy leads towards a merge or redirect, then coordinate this on the discussion page of the article.

The purpose of this page is limited to the interpretation and application of our deletion policy. You can discuss what our deletion policies should be on the deletion policy discussion page.

Nominating

  1. For the article, file or template being proposed for deletion, add a {{vfd}} tag so that people viewing it will know that it is proposed for deletion. The {{vfd}} tag must be the very first thing, right at the very top, before everything else.
  2. Add a link to the article, file or template at the end of the list below, along with the reason why it is being listed for deletion. Sign your recommendation using four tildes ("~~~~"). List one article, file or template per entry.
  3. If you're nominating a file for deletion, make sure it's actually located on the English Wikivoyage and not on Wikimedia Commons.

The basic format for a deletion nomination is:

===[[Chicken]]=== * Not a valid travel article topic. ~~~~

Commenting

All Wikivoyagers are invited to comment on articles, files or templates listed for deletion. The format for comments is:

===[[Chicken]]=== * '''Delete'''.  Not a valid travel article topic. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (EDT) * '''Keep'''.  There is a town in [[Alaska]] called Chicken. ~~~~

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Deleting, or not

All nominated articles, files or templates are guilty unless proven innocent. If, after fourteen days of discussion, the consensus is to keep, redirect or merge, then any Wikivoyager should do it. If you are redirecting, please remember to check for broken redirects or double redirects as a result of your move. Remove any VFD notices from that page, and archive the deletion discussion as described in the next section.

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Archiving

After you keep/redirect/merge/delete the article, file or template, move the deletion discussion to the Archives page for the appropriate month. The root Archives page has a directory. Note that it's the month in which the action was taken, rather than when the nomination was first posted, that should be used for the archived discussion; that way, recourse to the deletion log can lead subsequent readers right to the discussion (at least for the pages that were deleted).

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If the nominated article, file or template was not deleted, then place another (identical duplicate) copy of the deletion discussion on the discussion page of the article, file or template being kept or redirected.

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February 2017

Latest comment: 8 years ago23 comments9 people in discussion

I couldn't find anything in policy that specifically disallows "list" articles of this type, but it's my understanding that by convention, Wikivoyage frowns on them. And in the case of these two articles in particular, this information seems to be simply redundant to what is or could be included in other articles. For instance, there's nothing spectacularly different about amusement parks in the Eastern or Western United States that's different from what would be in the Amusement parks travel topic article; the list of two three most-visited amusement parks at the beginning of the article is encyclopedic information that's more suited to Wikipedia; and the individual listings of parks that make up the main bodies of the article belong either in the respective destination articles, in their own articles in the case of the largest ones (Walt Disney World et al.), or alternatively 20-30 of the largest ones could be listed in Amusement parks#North America the same way parks in other continents are handled.

  • Merge listings where applicable. There doesn't seem to be any huge stretches of quotable text here or anything else that would need to be retained for attribution purposes, and these aren't likely search terms, so I don't see that keeping these as redirects is a necessity. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:21, 5 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment - You're right about our common practice of not having list articles. I can't really judge how likely it is that people actually plan trips around amusement parks though, in which case this article with the map would have added value on top of listings in articles. Either way, if these articles will be deleted, the links on Wikipedia should also be deleted. JuliasTravels (talk) 10:56, 5 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
I doubt that there's a huge segment of travellers who plan trips where they hit up every amusement park in a given region - mostly because the bigger ones, like Walt Disney World, are big enough to require multiple days to truly experience, while the smaller ones aren't really worth going out of one's way for. An exception might be a real theme-park junkie who might check out Disney, SeaWorld, and Universal Studios while in Florida, but you could get all that information from the Orlando article anyway.
Of course, I might be wrong, and that's why I suggested the alternative of merging the most important ones as listings in Amusement parks#North America, much as we do already in Amusement parks#Europe and Amusement parks#Asia. From casual observation, if the author is down to listing such rinky-dink places as SkyZone Buffalo - basically an old warehouse full of trampolines out by the airport - then I think it's safe to say there's a lot of pruning that can be done. That's arguably an appropriate listing for Cheektowaga#Do, certainly not for an article that covers the entire eastern half of the U.S.
If the author or someone else is willing to add some real descriptions to the listings, and - more importantly - explain why U.S. amusement parks are so profoundly different from those in Europe, Asia, Australia, Canada, etc. that they need to be dealt with somewhere apart from their overseas counterparts, then I might be swayed to changing my opinion. As it is now, though, I'm not convinced that interminably long lists of some 200 naked bullet-point listings apiece, in the style of the Telstra vandal, qualifies as enough information to warrant U.S. theme parks being split off into even one separate article, let alone two.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:09, 5 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
I could very easily imagine a family basing a road trip on visiting every amusement park in a given area. However, that's a side point. These "articles" are merely long lists. Merge to destination articles as appropriate and redirect to Amusement parks, if we are going to keep that article, which is a bit listy, too, but not nearly so much. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:37, 5 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
So who is going to do it? anyone? --Saqib (talk) 09:07, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

Personal Itinerary in a state of half outlined-ness for a long time. Original author likely no longer around. I would argue for retaining it if we could make out the route as originally envisioned, but sadly, the article doesn't really do that. Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:15, 14 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Given the content that is there seems to be fairly detailed and useful (and there aren't many links in the route prose making it doubtful the info could be moved elsewhere), might we consider changing the article's scope from the whole route to simply Oamaru to Dunedin overland? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:21, 14 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Its companion article The Other 1 (northbound) should be considered too. Nurg (talk) 22:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Merge them to the userspace of a user who wants to consolidate and rewrite them and then put them back into mainspace? Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:21, 25 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
ThunderingTyphoons!, if this course of action is decided on, would you be willing to host the article in your userspace and make the edits necessary to turn it into Oamaru to Dunedin overland? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
The "Oamaru to Dunedin" section maybe could be merged to Otago (not sure if good to do so though). The title "Oamaru to Dunedin overland" would be a bit misleading - better Oamaru to Dunedin off the highway. Nurg (talk) 22:46, 25 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
I don't know the route or the area at all, so my edits would simply change the title, and remove the 'Other 1'-specific content. If that is acceptable to Wikivoyagers, I'm willing to do it, but no more than that (no rewrite, no additional content). That wouldn't require a move to my userspace either. It is simply my concern that a fair amount of info doesn't get deleted from WV, just because the article's not up to scratch. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:07, 25 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
That sounds good. I would call it Oamaru to Dunedin avoiding SH1. It just needs the list of destinations removed, and introduction changed to reflect the shorter route. I have not checked the Oamaru to Dunedin route on a map, but it sounds reasonable (I have been this way, but on SH1 in a bus). AlasdairW (talk) 23:43, 25 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
I like that title. Anyone else got an opinion on this, or can I crack on? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
Please go ahead. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:13, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
@ThunderingTyphoons!:, let us know here when you're done so that we can close this VfD. --Saqib (talk) 09:25, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

Sonora

Latest comment: 8 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion

I propose to delete Sonora (which is currently a redirect) to allow a move of Sonora (Mexico) → Sonora. The only other places listed at Sonora (disambiguation) are tiny US towns of no more than a few thousand people each, so the United Mexican State should be the main entry. I looked at Wikivoyage:Deletion policy and see no means to list "delete a redirect to make way for a page move" as a speedy deletion criterion (which likely *does* exist in Wikipedia) so am listing this here. Have I missed something? K7L (talk) 12:17, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Deleting a redirect to replace it with the article it is pointing at is a trivial action. Admin action is needed only because of the history, which here is an automatically created redirect to the disambig page (the software cannot make decisions on such cases; sometimes the history is important or the move disrupting). So just move it. --LPfi (talk) 14:13, 27 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
@K7L:: Please see. anything else? --Saqib (talk) 09:34, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. If this sort of thing does qualify for speedy deletion, perhaps Wikivoyage:Deletion policy should be updated to say so. K7L (talk) 12:31, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
One could perhaps add something along the lines of:
"To move a page to the name of a redirect, that redirect has to be removed. If the redirect points elsewhere, a hat note should in most cases be added to the page in question. If the two are just alternative names of the same page, deleting the redirect to allow the move is uncontroversial, given it is the better name. Sometimes, though, the redirect page has non-trivial history. If the history is there because of a copy-and-paste page move, the old history and that created at the new location should be merged. Sometimes the two versions have developed in parallel, and merging such histories would give a very confusing result. Check carefully how to handle such situations."
--LPfi (talk) 15:40, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
Good idea. @LPfi:: Plunge forward, add the information to policy page and let's close this nomination. --Saqib (talk) 16:09, 3 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
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